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I also agree on the fact that amplifier has not to be chosen to "tame" defects of speakers. That's why probably Jadis sounded so goo to my ears matched with Sonus Faber Guarneri speakers

I think the amp and speakers should be chosen as a "matched pair" for their synergy, and the ability to produce a sound that is correct for the person buying it.......doing anything else leads to disappointment.

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Resuming this thread as I have a problem with my actual turntable (the Clearaudio Performance) and wondering if anybody could help/advise on this: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/turntables-and-lps/clearaudio-maestro-mm-cartridge-any-problem

Thanks a lot!

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Hi Acalex, just came across this, which you might find interesting:
http://audiophilemusings.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/linn-streaming-evening-c...

What's worthy of note is that (according to the writer), the Majik DS "completely wiped the floor" with Linn's (now discontinued) £12k CD12 (one of the best CDPs of its day).....this is why I keep plugging the DS range.

It is also his belief that an Akurate DS/1 would outclass the top end LP12, which costs upward of £10k.....if true, that could leave the Klimax DS/1 in a different league!

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Hi Acalex, just came across this, which you might find interesting: http://audiophilemusings.blogspot.co.uk/2011/09/linn-streaming-evening-c... What's worthy of note is that (according to the writer), the Majik DS "completely wiped the floor" with Linn's (now discontinued) £12k CD12 (one of the best CDPs of its day).....this is why I keep plugging the DS range. It is also his belief that an Akurate DS/1 would outclass the top end LP12, which costs upward of £10k.....if true, that could leave the Klimax DS/1 in a different league!

 

Very interesting read, thanks a lot! I have to demo an Akurate DS1 now...  party time!

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OK, resuming this thread to update you on the source. Analog source is already sorted out with a Clearaudio Performance SE turntable and an EAR834P Signature phonostage.

Now it's time of digital one...I am still wondering if I will be putting a great DAC behind the SBT or swapping the all with an high-end streamer. For now I will start borrowing the following DACs and post my impression (it is the easiest solution).

- Rega DAC

- M1DAC

- M2Tech Young DAC

All available and in stock at my favorite shop...so no problem in that. I really want to see when things start improving compared to using the SBT with its internal DAC

As usual all thoughs are more than welcome!

Alex

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Now it's time of digital one...I am still wondering if I will be putting a great DAC behind the SBT or swapping the all with an high-end streamer.

silenced banging head against wall Wink

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acalex wrote:

OK, resuming this thread to update you on the source. Analog source is already sorted out with a Clearaudio Performance SE turntable and an EAR834P Signature phonostage.

Now it's time of digital one...I am still wondering if I will be putting a great DAC behind the SBT or swapping the all with an high-end streamer. For now I will start borrowing the following DACs and post my impression (it is the easiest solution).

- Rega DAC

- M1DAC

- M2Tech Young DAC

All available and in stock at my favorite shop...so no problem in that. I really want to see when things start improving compared to using the SBT with its internal DAC

As usual all thoughs are more than welcome!

Alex

Hi Alex,

Just replaced SBT + linear power supply + Audio GD NFB2 dac (rates alongside Rega dac for sq) + Roksan power amp + Creek passive pre with Linn Majik DSM.

Sound is richer, more involving, with greater detail and just leaves you wanting more. Hard to put into words really but it just sounds so good!

The squeeze is fantastic value for money and I've used one for 5 years but the Linn is superb in my humble opinion.

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acalex wrote:

OK, resuming this thread to update you on the source. Analog source is already sorted out with a Clearaudio Performance SE turntable and an EAR834P Signature phonostage.

Now it's time of digital one...I am still wondering if I will be putting a great DAC behind the SBT or swapping the all with an high-end streamer. For now I will start borrowing the following DACs and post my impression (it is the easiest solution).

- Rega DAC

- M1DAC

- M2Tech Young DAC

All available and in stock at my favorite shop...so no problem in that. I really want to see when things start improving compared to using the SBT with its internal DAC

As usual all thoughs are more than welcome!

Alex

Hi Alex,

Just replaced SBT + linear power supply + Audio GD NFB2 dac (rates alongside Rega dac for sq) + Roksan power amp + Creek passive pre with Linn Majik DSM.

Sound is richer, more involving, with greater detail and just leaves you wanting more. Hard to put into words really but it just sounds so good!

The squeeze is fantastic value for money and I've used one for 5 years but the Linn is superb in my humble opinion.

so a DAC equal to the Linn would be good for the SBT?

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Pedro2 wrote:

acalex wrote:

OK, resuming this thread to update you on the source. Analog source is already sorted out with a Clearaudio Performance SE turntable and an EAR834P Signature phonostage.

Now it's time of digital one...I am still wondering if I will be putting a great DAC behind the SBT or swapping the all with an high-end streamer. For now I will start borrowing the following DACs and post my impression (it is the easiest solution).

- Rega DAC

- M1DAC

- M2Tech Young DAC

All available and in stock at my favorite shop...so no problem in that. I really want to see when things start improving compared to using the SBT with its internal DAC

As usual all thoughs are more than welcome!

Alex

Hi Alex,

Just replaced SBT + linear power supply + Audio GD NFB2 dac (rates alongside Rega dac for sq) + Roksan power amp + Creek passive pre with Linn Majik DSM.

Sound is richer, more involving, with greater detail and just leaves you wanting more. Hard to put into words really but it just sounds so good!

The squeeze is fantastic value for money and I've used one for 5 years but the Linn is superb in my humble opinion.

so a DAC equal to the Linn would be good for the SBT?

I suspect a Linn streamer will be always better in terms of SQ when compared to SBT with DAC for the same amount of money. But I want find out myself before confirming this statement...

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Pedro2 wrote:

Hi Alex,

Just replaced SBT + linear power supply + Audio GD NFB2 dac (rates alongside Rega dac for sq) + Roksan power amp + Creek passive pre with Linn Majik DSM.

Sound is richer, more involving, with greater detail and just leaves you wanting more. Hard to put into words really but it just sounds so good!

The squeeze is fantastic value for money and I've used one for 5 years but the Linn is superb in my humble opinion.

Hi Pedro, Thanks a lot for your comments. I suspect also the Linn streamer will be better value for money compared to SBT + DAC but I would like to erperiment this myself. It is true that the small LCD monitor of SBT is so convenient I almost never use the iphone/android application available

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I suspect also the Linn streamer will be better value for money compared to SBT + DAC but I would like to experiment this myself. 

This my friend, is the only way....even if I gently take the Michael from time to time.

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If you are going to try out a DAC or two here are some other suggestions:

* Wadia 121

* Chord (Chordette) Qute HD

* Northstar Essensio / Essensio Plus

 

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tino wrote:

If you are going to try out a DAC or two here are some other suggestions:

* Wadia 121

* Chord (Chordette) Qute HD

* Northstar Essensio / Essensio Plus

 

Great suggestions, the Wadia 121 is in stock at my favorite shop so not problem in trying that. Northstar I have to find a dealer here in Belgium

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I suspect a Linn streamer will be always better in terms of SQ when compared to SBT with DAC for the same amount of money. But I want find out myself before confirming this statement...

I'm not an expert in digital but the way I understand it is that SBT is using TCPIP protocol (unlike most streamers) for communicating with the sender (in your case NAS server) and Linn streamers use DLNA. TCPIP is designed for reliability, which means that SBT gets what was sent or you'll get drop outs if the bandwidth is too low (overloaded network?). DLNA on the other hand is designed for best performance, so if the network is overloaded you'll still get some output but it's not certain if it's going to be bit perfect with source signal as error correction kicks in. the 1000000 USD question is; how well this error correction mechanism can predict how lost packets looked like on the sender side?

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oldric_naubhoff wrote:

acalex wrote:

I suspect a Linn streamer will be always better in terms of SQ when compared to SBT with DAC for the same amount of money. But I want find out myself before confirming this statement...

I'm not an expert in digital but the way I understand it is that SBT is using TCPIP protocol (unlike most streamers) for communicating with the sender (in your case NAS server) and Linn streamers use DLNA. TCPIP is designed for reliability, which means that SBT gets what was sent or you'll get drop outs if the bandwidth is too low (overloaded network?). DLNA on the other hand is designed for best performance, so if the network is overloaded you'll still get some output but it's not certain if it's going to be bit perfect with source signal as error correction kicks in. the 1000000 USD question is; how well this error correction mechanism can predict how lost packets looked like on the sender side?

Good question, is there anybody able to answer this? As I have no idea...