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TBH I would stop the thinking untill you have the amp and speakers installed. then using the SBT audition some DACs.

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acalex wrote:

Very interesting reading. Nice piece of kit as well this Weiss DAC 202...also has an headphone input which would save me around 500 eur on a separate headphone amplifier. 

I wasn't particularly recommending the Weiss (haven't heard it), just pointing out that the sound you can get from a Mac mini is surely comparable with the hi-end one box solutions.

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Still would like to hear what a NOS DAC could do...are you also thinking that any DAC over 1k eur is pure speculation?

Not pure speculation, though whether a 5K DAC makes sense is down to the individual and the rest of their system.

Multibit DACs v Delta sigma DACs is the more important distinction between DACs, rather than NOS/OS. Multibit DACs are natural partners of Class A/Tubes. Purer and more natural sound. All kinds of complicated technical reasons and also many exceptions to the rule, bad sounding multibit and good sounding Delta sigma etc--so best to trust your ears--although I think it's useful to have some idea of this basic distinction.

 

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bang on nads. Shock . enjoy the auditioning of the amp & speakers to get the sound you want from the TT.

if money is a consideration and you are wondering if there is justification in spending €5k instead of €1k on the DAC (considering diminshing returns) the money is probably better spent on the amp & speakers as i believe you'll hear more of a difference spending the extra €4k here. 

lol, what do i know, i use a squeezebox. would welcome one of those jardis valve amps into the house mind - & would save a fortune on speakers as would be happy just looking at it.

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Ehy, thanks a lot to everybody for the insights!

First of all let me tell you all another time...is Jadis and not JaRdis as everybody seems to know it  rolling on the floor laughing For a moment I also wasn't sure we were talking about same stuff! It is a French manufacturer 

http://www.jadis-electronics.com/

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Helmut80 wrote:

 

The answer to all your problems is to just forget about that cheapo MF and Jardis [JADIS] ;)rubbish and just get 2 Devialet D-Premiers 

 

>)

No way...can't forget the sound of a tube/pure class a amp so easily Wink

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nads wrote:

TBH I would stop the thinking untill you have the amp and speakers installed. then using the SBT audition some DACs.

In my head I already have amp and speakers already...also more or less the timing. Speakers will come for Xmas probably...anyway before end of this year. TT is coming in the next 2/3 months. In the meantime I will keep the SBT and start audiotioning the rest...I like to think a lot in advance so I have time to assess several solutions. I am like this...  beauty, eh

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bang on nads. Shock . enjoy the auditioning of the amp & speakers to get the sound you want from the TT.

if money is a consideration and you are wondering if there is justification in spending €5k instead of €1k on the DAC (considering diminshing returns) the money is probably better spent on the amp & speakers as i believe you'll hear more of a difference spending the extra €4k here. 

lol, what do i know, i use a squeezebox. would welcome one of those jardis valve amps into the house mind - & would save a fortune on speakers as would be happy just looking at it.

Ahahah, is indeed a beautiful amp! And when you listen to it matched with those you can't stop listening and dreming also Wink

Budget for amp and speaker is set already...so no point in spending more money on that (speakers are already a big chunk of budget...my favorites are those by the way)

 

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acalex wrote:

Very interesting reading. Nice piece of kit as well this Weiss DAC 202...also has an headphone input which would save me around 500 eur on a separate headphone amplifier. 

I wasn't particularly recommending the Weiss (haven't heard it), just pointing out that the sound you can get from a Mac mini is surely comparable with the hi-end one box solutions.

acalex wrote:

Still would like to hear what a NOS DAC could do...are you also thinking that any DAC over 1k eur is pure speculation?

Not pure speculation, though whether a 5K DAC makes sense is down to the individual and the rest of their system.

Multibit DACs v Delta sigma DACs is the more important distinction between DACs, rather than NOS/OS. Multibit DACs are natural partners of Class A/Tubes. Purer and more natural sound. All kinds of complicated technical reasons and also many exceptions to the rule, bad sounding multibit and good sounding Delta sigma etc--so best to trust your ears--although I think it's useful to have some idea of this basic distinction.

 

I understood the point of the topic..was just thinking loud about the DAC used in the review. Very interesting last bit...wasn't aware of this difference. have to read more on Multibit vs Delta. Example of multibit? Thanks a lot

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are the comaprable SF floorstanders above your budget or do you prefer the standmounts, alcalex. 

 

PS: I was actually thinking about your post in the other thread as I typed it out, but wasn't sure anymore. here it is, just for you:

JaRdis JaRdis JaRdis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Helmut80 wrote:

are the comaprable SF floorstanders above your budget or do you prefer the standmounts, alcalex. 

 

PS: I was actually thinking about your post in the other thread as I typed it out, but wasn't sure anymore. here it is, just for you:

JaRdis JaRdis JaRdis

 

Don't see anything as I supposed you posted an image Wink

Which floorstanders are you talking about? as there are different SF floorstanders!

Btw are you from 1980 also?  beauty, eh

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acalex wrote:

 Speakers will come for Xmas probably...anyway before end of this year. TT is coming in the next 2/3 months.

 

so there is little point in doing much other than consuming music untill next year then.

 

Have fun.

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acalex wrote:

Helmut80 wrote:

are the comaprable SF floorstanders above your budget or do you prefer the standmounts, alcalex. 

 

PS: I was actually thinking about your post in the other thread as I typed it out, but wasn't sure anymore. here it is, just for you:

JaRdis JaRdis JaRdis

 

Don't see anything as I supposed you posted an image Wink

Which floorstanders are you talking about? as there are different SF floorstanders!

Btw are you from 1980 also?  beauty, eh

 

Yes I was indeed born in 1980, obviously the best year ever. I was asking because I am a sucker for floorstanders, and the only SF ones I am familiar with are the Liuto Towers. So I was wondering what the next step up fom that would be. Is there a floorstander version of the ones you have picked out?

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acalex wrote:

oldric_naubhoff wrote:

I think the main question you should ask yourself in this situation is whether you prefer more boxes on display or less. and start from there.

Actually that was never a problem. I have quite a lot of space and my gf didn't complain about having more boxes around...so not an issue there.

I didn't really have space issues on mind. only aesthetics. some prefer less boxes, for some the more the better.

I prefer to have things integrated. and integrated amp and integrated player and I'm happy enough. for that reason I'd go for a streamer option. but there is nothing right now on the market that hits the right buzz words for me.

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acalex wrote:

Example of multibit? Thanks a lot

Zanden model audio 5000 is a fine example of the type.

The price will make you crying

And it don't even do hi-res...  rolling on the floor laughing

FYI, multibit DACs are also referred to as R2R or "ladder" type DACs. 

Interesting not too technical description of the theory:

http://www.msbtech.com/support/How_DACs_Work.php?Page=supportHome

[Edit: not all Multibit dacs are expensive, there are loads of budget Chinese DAC chips with parallel multibit DACs inside, e.g. Teradak Chameleon, but...not quite the same sound...]

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Helmut80 wrote:

 

Yes I was indeed born in 1980, obviously the best year ever. I was asking because I am a sucker for floorstanders, and the only SF ones I am familiar with are the Liuto Towers. So I was wondering what the next step up fom that would be. Is there a floorstander version of the ones you have picked out?

Agreed!  cheer

In the same collection of Guarneri Memento (Homage collection) there is the Amati Anniversario as a floorstanders, but price is almost 3 times the Guarneri Memento (which I can assure you are not cheap) so way too expensive. 

They look nice though  doh!