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Spikes and stands

I was just wondering how important stands are to sound quality? Is it mostly just to get the right height for the speakers and to provide isolation via the spikes? Also should my speaker stands have spikes on the top as well as the bottom? I get the feeling they should, theyre just cheap celestion ones i got off ebay for £5.
Also I was wanting to get spikes for my REL strata and my Dm603 s2s but i have no idea what thread size the holes are, is there  a standard size for speakers, M6? I checked the manual it doesnt say a size. Also my 603s have one of the threads missing on the underside where the spike screws in, the metal bit has come out the wood, do you reckon its possible to replace this? I was thinking maybe i could make one on at the lathe at uni but its a lot of hassle. Another option would be to maybe put some putty inside the hole and thread a hole in after it dried?

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RE: Spikes and stands

IMO Spikes on the bottom of the stands do several things:

- Provide stability of stand (so it doesn't rock).

- Allow height adjustment and levelling.

- Couple the Speaker/Stand to the floor (not isolate), which allow unwanted resonances to sink into the floor (works if concrete floor).

- Spikes on the top can be a good job, but damage the bottom of the speaker....so generally use Blu-tac.

Stands and speakers should be seen as a matched pair....and can make or break sound quality.

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Its not just about the height, if you put them on a chest then they would not sound sound so good, bass would not be so clear and generally you would lose clarity, also could be boomy depending what you rest them on.

I don't think spikes make any difference apart from stability and levelling at the floor. On the top plate I would use blue tack or Black tack, that will fix the speakers in place better and safer than spikes and absorb some of the vibrations from the speakers.

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1. They hold the speakers at the required height.

2. Err...that's it..

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Michael,

You can get spike sets that also include the furniture inserts, so you don't need to use the lathe if you don't want to.  Spikes are usually M6 or M8.

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Phileas wrote:

1. They hold the speakers at the required height.

2. Err...that's it..

 

So would wall brackets?

 

Here is a demo of what speaker stands can do:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-cSuKzu_w

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In case it's of interest, here is some reading on Speaker Stands:

http://www.zenn.com.sg/Speakerstands.htm

http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/speaker-spikes-and-cones-2013-what2019s-the-point

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CnoEvil wrote:

In case it's of interest here is some reading on Speaker Stands:

http://www.zenn.com.sg/Speakerstands.htm

http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/speaker-spikes-and-cones-2013-what2019s-the-point

 

I find some of that zen link to be incorrect. 

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BigH wrote:

Phileas wrote:

1. They hold the speakers at the required height.

2. Err...that's it..

 

So would wall brackets?

 

Here is a demo of what speaker stands can do:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-cSuKzu_w

OK. They also allow you to easily move the speaker to different locations.  Smile

I can't see that video but it looks like an advert.  Smile

I used to think that holding a speaker rigidly in place improved the bass (by reducing recoil) - that's what seemed to happen when I bought my first stands 25+yrs ago. Now I'm not so sure. 

I find the whole notion of channelling vibrations ridiculous.

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I find the whole notion of channelling vibrations ridiculous.

If you accept that speakers produce resonances.....it has to go somewhere....which is into the stand. 

If the stands are metal (tubing), then this resonance will pass through into whatever they are connected to, unless filled with an inert material like sand.

If the spikes are into a suspended wooden floor, then that is where you get problems.

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CnoEvil wrote:

Phileas wrote:

I find the whole notion of channelling vibrations ridiculous.

If you accept that speakers produce resonances.....it has to go somewhere....which is into the stand. 

If the stands are metal (tubing), then this resonance will pass through into whatever they are connected to, unless filled with an inert material like sand.

If the spikes are into a suspended wooden floor, then that is where you get problems.

 

But your zen link says the stand that vibrates more is better, if that is so then the speaker which is standing on the stand will vibrate even more and then if it passes into the wooden floor you will get even more problems. It also says the stands can be more important than the speakers, who are these people?

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RE: Spikes and stands

I'm known as a sceptic about the effect of "accessories" but let me tell you about my expereince with my Kef Q500s.  When I first got them I didn't put the spikes on because I have a wooden floor which I didn't want to damage and the spike shoes I had ordered hadn't arrived.  The speakers sounded great but when the shoes arrived and I fitted the spikes the sound improved with much greater clarity all round.  I took the spikes off to check that I wasn't fooling myself and I wasn't.

I don't know precisely why this might happen but it does seem to me that something that is vibrating to produce sound will probably do this better Angel if it very securely seated and (b) if it is isolated from vibratory feedback from the environment.

So I would fit spikes if your speaker is designed to have them.

Chris

PS I know these percevied effects weren't blind tested but that's hard to arrange when you live alone!

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CnoEvil wrote:
..speakers produce resonances....If the spikes are into a suspended wooden floor, then that is where you get problems.

I've never had problems with resonances. I suspect you haven't either. 

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BigH wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

In case it's of interest here is some reading on Speaker Stands:

http://www.zenn.com.sg/Speakerstands.htm

http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/speaker-spikes-and-cones-2013-what2019s-the-point

I find some of that zen link to be incorrect. 

IMO. There are few absolutes in hifi, only opinions. One should never accept anything as gospel until one has experimented for oneself.....this is because there are so many variables, including subjective taste.

I only link to this kind of thing to be a little thought provoking.

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Phileas wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:
..speakers produce resonances....If the spikes are into a suspended wooden floor, then that is where you get problems.

I've never had problems with resonances. I suspect you haven't either. 

You suspect wrongly.

 

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Im glad I have not got a sub.

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