Great review AlmaataKZ thanks for sharing it with us
and for taking lots of piccies too.
for the 50s with sub as i think the 100s are a bit overbearing for the room.
Hope you enjoy your new kit for a long time now!
Thanks, dave k! Indeed, the 100s are very very good and I would love to have them (or smth even biggger) one day but until I have a castle-sized house it is not practical.
In the meantime, while I am waiting for delivery of the sub, Project No. 2 has cropped up!
I was thinking of selling the Monitor Audio speakers that are now redundant but was reluctant to do so as they are in mint condition and I know I may not get what they are worth on e-bay. As I was thinking this outloud, my girlfriend said we could do with some music in the bedroom. So, project no 2 it is! Second system!
I am thinking:
- will drive the Monitor Audios
- must play ALAC 16/44 and 24/96 from existing itunes playlists
- maybe streaming (although my wireless network is very weak and cables are not an option)
- maximum intergaion and super-easy interface and control (i.e. ideally single remote to control everything, minimum cables etc).
- maybe use of my existing ipods (old 3rd Gen 40gig and Touch 2nd gen)
- maybe can use the exisitng Chrodette Gem as an add-on (for streaming from ipod via apt-x bt or via usb from a netbook)
So far Squeezebox Touch playing from a hard drive (which has the back-up copy of the main system's MacMini) is a strong candidate, feeding something like Denon dm38 (if it would take digital from the old ipod and charge it would be fantastic).
Any other suggestions?
Also looking at Sonos and Sneaky DS but I do not know much about them so need some further digging. I also looked at the new Chordette range but these thingies are way too expensive, for a second system at least.
Project 1 update:
As the speakers are active and do not have stand-by mode (and run hot) you need to switch them on and off and the switch is on the back. so, to power them up and down with a remote I got this thingy:
works quite well. recommended.
So have you settled for the 50s or what, they look impressive, the 100s are a bit to huge for the space, how is the bass?
50s it is. The bass is excellent.
I will try the C4 sub to see what effect it would have. If I like it I will keep it as well. If C4 can produce bass of the same quality as the 50s or 100s but deeper than 50s or 100s (in other words lower frequency response with the same low distortion) I think it will be fantastic.
I have returned the 100s.
Great review. Thanks for sharing your journey with us. I think you've made a wise choice. If I had a huge house with a huge living room, I would want those big 100s, but for a normal living space I think the 50s fit much nicer and probably are less prone to room interaction. They will certainly look nicer and blend into your room easier. No doubt you've got yourself the creme-de-la-creme. When you think about the many years of enjoyment that purchase can provide, it's really a worthwhile investment. I don't regret a dime I've spent on my system. I listen everyday and I absolutely love it. Life is short and IMO music is one of God's great gifts to man and one of the most satisfying pleasures we engage in. Congrats again.
One thing I'm curious about is how your worked this out with the dealer. They let you have brand new 100s and 50s and you agreed to buy one or the other? Very nice of them to arrange that for you...
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agree totally with jaxwired, this has been a great thread, great pics and very nice step by step build up of things. Great setup to I like the active speaker idea. thumbs up
looks amazing. and i bet sounds amazing,
thanks, Jaxwired. I am very very happy with the dac and the speakers. I hope the sub will arrive soon and certainly look forward to the see how it will fair. If it is as special as the speakers I think I can expect to be very impressed.
I strongly beleive that when you spend (and that is after having saved it!) several grand on hifi you need to be absolutely sure what you are getting, that the bits match each other, it all sound good in you home, finish is what you want, your OH is happy etc etc and the only way to do it is a home demo.
I was looking for demos for abt two month and I did find one but notr a side by side and after a long time I was still unsure. And then I went to a hifi show - without any expectation, just to see what was on. It happenned so that absolutely everything I was looking for was there. One dealer had the benchmark hdr and he offered me a very good price and offered me to take it home for a trial. He also had atcs and had a show-only discount running and it was just before the ATC recent price increase so the total offer was very good. With that good an offer I was ready to go for the 100s but was really unsure if 50s should be ok. Also by then I have never seen the 50s or 100s towers in the flesh and nobody could show me the finish samples. So we talked about it and he offered to send me both 100s and 50s in my choice of finish so I can choose between them with th HDR, properly, no rush. I thought this unmatched offer is too good not to take and we made a deal. However, finish was still an issue (nobody I found had ATC finishes I was interested to see), so I spoke to an ATC rep (who was also at the show!) and they said I could come and visit. How is that for a lucky show visit?!
So, I am very happy with my dealer and think he is doing it the way it should be done. Very good!
Thanks, xon501. Still to come:
Proejct No. 1 - still remains replacement of Rel Q100E with ATC C4 - still no date
Project No. 2 - second system - still early days - visited a couple of shops today to check how the Squezebox Touch works, but unsuccessfully. The guys at Richer Sounds refused to set it up on a network, and without going through this first it does not do anything else. bummer.
Anyhow, I ordered one from amazon. With their returns policy I am sure if it does not work with my gear I know I can return it without any problems.
It really does, I cannot stop listening. I find these active ATCs quite special. If you have not already, I recommned to check them out when you have a chance.
Project No. 2 update:
Got the Denon DM38 today, so here it goes, the second system build-up.
Basically it is my old rack + the old speakers. I just went down to my local Richer Sounds after work (they had the best price) and brought it home. Very old-fashioned way!
The box is small but quite weighty.
All the goodies inside: power cord, fm antenna, dab antenna, am antenna, remote:
Nothing original on the looks but I think it looks all right:
The all-important back side:
Connect power, antennae, speakers :
Connect the Gem:
Or, wait! Connect ipod:
It sounds all right, too. The tracks on the ipod are in ALAC and the Denon takes digital from ipod so it sounds OK. Denon's remote controls ipod whn it is connected and ipod is also charging. The Gem is apt-x upgraded but I still have to get a dongle. I can also connect my netbook tot he Gem via USB.
A Rel Quake in cherry would have been nice too (one just went for 210 quid on ebay), but... oh, maybe later...
Squeezebox Touch is on its way, really looking forward to trying it. I hope I will be able to play my itunes library either over network or from a local HD.
The error message again! Cannot post the pics again... Grrr... EDIT: I found that if I try to edit posts about 10 days after it originally posted I am able to insert pictures! Weird!
So does the small unit power the large speakers well, as i was thinking to buy a DM38 change the standard speakers with my 9.1s and get a pair of dipole speakers for surround, are the denon speakers any good?????
I only played it for a couple of hours so far but I think it has no problem. This set-up will be played on low levels only so I think it is absolutely fine.
I have not tried the Denon kit speakers so cannot comment.