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Calling all ST50 and GT50 owners

I'd like to upgrade my V20 for a larger ST or GT50. However, I've read several stories about vertical banding or "the dirty screen effect" that have given me some pause.

My V20 performs fantastically well. Now that it's a few years old I don't even get floating blacks (this was a small issue when I first got the TV). The 50Hz bug can be a minor annoyance, but that's really my only complaint. That said, the TV feels small to me now (I sit roughly 2.5m from the screen). I'd love a larger screen, but I don't want a set with problems. Nor do I want to spend my time going through a potentially endless cycle of replacements.  

I'm keen to hear owners' experiences with their ST50 and GT50 televisions. Has vertical banding been an issue? Should I be concerned about this? If I got a set that was affected it would certainly annoy me, though I'd really like a larger screen.

 

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RE: Calling all ST50 and GT50 owners

From what I've read so far, vertical banding hasn't been a major issue. You can always exchange it for a non-faulty set in case you've been unlucky with yours.

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Hi Strapped for cash I have a gt 42 and a vt50 I think they are the same panel / screen and they are realy fantastic tvs sharp pictures fantastic colour contrast  I cannot find any faults with them in fact next year we will be upgrading the gt42 to a vt55/60 the inputs and outputs are a bit fidley when the tv is wall mounted and if you are going to d.i.y wall mounting get some one to help you as the 50 is a bit of a handfull:cheers:

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Thanks BB. Agreed, though I've read stories of replacements having more problems than the sets that were returned. It's a shame we have to enage in a panel lottery when we buy a new television, which of course isn't manufacturer specific.

If I buy a larger TV it would probably be sensible to hang on to my V20, until I'm sure I'm happy with the new set. That way, if I'm forced to get a refund I know I've got a TV that works perfectly well, even if it seems a little dinky to me now. It's therefore important to buy from a reputable and understanding retailer.

I'm still keen to hear of owners' experiences, which might help me buy with confidence.

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Thanks toyota man. The TV would sit on my BLOK stand (which would easily accomodate a 50 or 55 inch screen). The side facing HDMI inputs seem a bit of an annoyance, as I'd need to buy an adaptor to keep cabling out of view, but this is far from a deal breaker.

Just to confirm, you've seen no vertical stripes in the picture (usually visible with solid blocks of colour like football pitches during panning shots)? A few more positive reports and I'm likely to take the plunge.

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strapped for cash wrote:

I'd like to upgrade my V20 for a larger ST or GT50. However, I've read several stories about vertical banding or "the dirty screen effect" that have given me some pause.

My V20 performs fantastically well. Now that it's a few years old I don't even get floating blacks (this was a small issue when I first got the TV). The 50Hz bug can be a minor annoyance, but that's really my only complaint. That said, the TV feels small to me now (I sit roughly 2.5m from the screen). I'd love a larger screen, but I don't want a set with problems. Nor do I want to spend my time going through a potentially endless cycle of replacements.  

I'm keen to hear owners' experiences with their ST50 and GT50 televisions. Has vertical banding been an issue? Should I be concerned about this? If I got a set that was affected it would certainly annoy me, though I'd really like a larger screen.

 

 

Hi Strapped

 

Nope, I don't even know what vertical banding issue is?  And it certainly has not been a problem for me.  Definitely not be concerned by this.  I purchased my TV from John Lewis and this is where I recommend anyone purchase there TV from too.  The first one I purchased did buzz a bit so I told John Lewis and they replaced it no problems, I think you have 30 days also in that John Lewis offer you the chance to send it back if you are not 100% happy.  So purchasing a new TV from them you definietely don't have anything to worry about. 

 

One area that is a little concern is image retention, but as long as you are careful with the settings and TV, the TV should be fine.  Factory settings are brilliant too and the THX mode is the icing on the cake.  This TV is seriously good.  The black levels are superb, here is a picture of them:

 

 

The blacks are about as good as a TV gets.  I have been running mine on a Sky HD box but watch normal SD TV too and the 50hz issue has never been a problem at all.  The motion on this TV is very smooth.  At £1200 with a five year warranty at John Lewis I can't recommned this TV highly enough.  I would definitely buy it again, and is the best TV since the Pioneer days.  Blu-ray looks fantastic too.  I am not sure with Panasonic how much longer you will be able to buy a plasma this good and cheap with the way they are going at the moment.  As they said in the days of Pioneer resistance is futile (think I have said that right lol).  In other words definitely buy.  Smile 

 

It is not too big on heavy for a 50inch plasma too.  John Lewis will also price match with TotalDigitalbiz who were doing it for £1175 when I last looked. Need any more info or pictures just shout.

 

Cheers.

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No dirty screen effect either this screen is as clean as a whistle.  The TV screen has a greenish tint to it like the Pioneers did, so you know the screen is good.

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Cheers Gel.

Glad you're happy with your GT50. I'm not worried about the 50GT50 being too big. Actually, I think the reverse might be true and a 55 inch screen would be perfect for my living room. Unfortunately there's no 55GT50, as I'd like an integrated Freesat tuner (Freeview reception is poor where I live). That said, I can get around this problem if I buy an external Freesat tuner, but it's more expense and another box to accommodate. Choices... :?

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strapped for cash wrote:

Cheers Gel.

Glad you're happy with your GT50. I'm not worried about the 50GT50 being too big. Actually, I think the reverse might be true and a 55 inch screen would be perfect for my living room. Unfortunately there's no 55GT50, as I'd like an integrated Freesat tuner (Freeview reception is poor where I live). That said, I can get around this problem if I buy an external Freesat tuner, but it's more expense and another box to accomodate. Choices... :?

 

Now £1139 at TotalDigital for a price match with John Lewis.  Yeah my next TV will be a 55 inch, I would definitely recommend that as a size.  The Panasonic 55vt30 was a nice screen at that size.  Panasonic do the 55 inch in the ST model, not sure about spec though.

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Cheers Gel.

Glad you're happy with your GT50. I'm not worried about the 50GT50 being too big. Actually, I think the reverse might be true and a 55 inch screen would be perfect for my living room. Unfortunately there's no 55GT50, as I'd like an integrated Freesat tuner (Freeview reception is poor where I live). That said, I can get around this problem if I buy an external Freesat tuner, but it's more expense and another box to accomodate. Choices... :?

 

Now £1139 at TotalDigital for a price match with John Lewis.  Yeah my next TV will be a 55 inch, I would definitely recommend that as a size.  The Panasonic 55vt30 was a nice screen at that size.  Panasonic do the 55 inch in the ST model, not sure about spec though.

That's a great price. The ST50 doesn't have an onboard Freesat tuner, but from what I've read the True Cinema preset is remarkably accurate (if a little too green, though it shouldn't be difficult to combat this with some fine tuning). In fact, I've read that the ST50's True Cinema preset is very accurate when set to "warm." It isn't THX certified, but that's not an issue if greyscale and colour balance are on the money anyway...

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Panasonic North seem to do quite good prices too, here is the ST50:

 

http://www.panastore-north.co.uk/3d/392-txp42st50.html

 

Panasonic are also offering £100 off if you spend £1000 or more instore with some dealers.

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Hi I agree with Gel the whole package picture wise is fantastic for the money as I said I will be upgrading my gt42 next year  and I have not had any  lines or blocking of any type  the last time we had any problems with a panosonic was on a crt set with a noisey surround system and after a while of panosonic trying to fix it they gave us a new one

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Depending on your budget you could try the 55vt50 if you are looking a larger screen with built-in freesat. I have no banding issues with mine and there is a lot of football and golf watched on the set.

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Thanks for the suggestion. As much as I'd like a 55VT50, it's beyond my budget (or at least what I'm willing to spend). The 55ST50 looks a tremendous deal in principle, and a separate Freesat PVR (such as the current WHF award winner) would give me greater flexibility in terms of viewing and recording options.

I'm almost convinced that's the way to go. Now I have to find a local retailer with the ST in stock for a reasonable price and that's willing to accept returns should the dreaded vertical bands appear.

Glad you're enjoying your television (and I'm a little jealous)!

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Hello strapped for cash,

I might have missed it in the discussion, but have you told us how big your existing V20 is?

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Hi Son_of_SJ,

You didn't miss it. I neglected to include that information. My current television is a 42V20. It may seem a big step up to a 55ST50, but my room can accommodate a screen that size and it's the perfect width for my AV cabinet (the 65 would overhang the cabinet, but the 55 would leave me with 5cm to spare either end).

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