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Hi Keenly,

 

I'm also one of those people who don't seem to get along with metal tweeters (or just have not found the right ones) so I went for some Dynaudio Excites which I love and can listen to all day with no ear fatigue so just a suggestion to maybe give them a shot, they are great all-rounders, I am even going to upgrade to a higher Dyn series soon, I think I am a fan for life.

 

 

Dyn fan for life myself. I've owned the X12 and X16 and I share your love for them. They are fantastic speakers especially for people that like a smooth sound.

With that said, I've also owned the PMC DB1i and it's outstanding. The DB1i is more transparent. They are both great speakers and are my two top picks for a very small speaker. I'd pick the PMC over the X12 though. Can't go wrong with either IMO.

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This week i've demo Epos Epic 2 and 5. And i must say that they are two complitly different speakers, the 5 is much more bright than the 2, the sales man said that is duo the crossover. And the title best buy under 1k is for the Epic 5.  I thought that the 2's were the same as the 5's, but smaler, but they aren't... Sadly... Last week i've demo the Dyns X12, and, and, and they are the most brilliant speakers that i've heard, they have everything that i want in a speaker at this time, detail, 3d imaging, fading act ( you couldn't point where the sound come from) I felt in love right there! My Brio R will arrive some time in November, and if I buy the Dyns i know that the Brio R will run out of gas before the dyns...

 

So what did you think of the Epic-2 ? I think it will not disappear like the Dynaudio, but with a tube-amp it could do so. The Epic-2 or it's more expensive "brother", the Elan 15, seem very dynamic to me, but also sweet sounding, and kind of neutral. A good amp will bring it's qualities wright out. And the Epic-2 has good strong bass i read from the reviews!

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Hi-FiOutlaw wrote:
This week i've demo Epos Epic 2 and 5. And i must say that they are two complitly different speakers, the 5 is much more bright than the 2, the sales man said that is duo the crossover. And the title best buy under 1k is for the Epic 5.  I thought that the 2's were the same as the 5's, but smaler, but they aren't... Sadly... Last week i've demo the Dyns X12, and, and, and they are the most brilliant speakers that i've heard, they have everything that i want in a speaker at this time, detail, 3d imaging, fading act ( you couldn't point where the sound come from) I felt in love right there! My Brio R will arrive some time in November, and if I buy the Dyns i know that the Brio R will run out of gas before the dyns...

 

So what did you think of the Epic-2 ? I think it will not disappear like the Dynaudio, but with a tube-amp it could do so. The Epic-2 or it's more expensive "brother", the Elan 15, seem very dynamic to me, but also sweet sounding, and kind of neutral. A good amp will bring it's qualities wright out. And the Epic-2 has good strong bass i read from the reviews!

 

Yes they have a strong bass, in this matter nothing to say. I think they need a bright amp, for leveling Thing up ( for my taste) i came from MA B4 with a metal dome twiter, i have them since 2005. 

The Dyns X12 they have the transparency that i like, but on the edge the still are smooth, and my MA aren't.

I don't know if that makes sence...

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ABM78 wrote:

Hi Keenly,

 

I'm also one of those people who don't seem to get along with metal tweeters (or just have not found the right ones) so I went for some Dynaudio Excites which I love and can listen to all day with no ear fatigue so just a suggestion to maybe give them a shot, they are great all-rounders, I am even going to upgrade to a higher Dyn series soon, I think I am a fan for life.

 

 

Dyn fan for life myself. I've owned the X12 and X16 and I share your love for them. They are fantastic speakers especially for people that like a smooth sound. With that said, I've also owned the PMC DB1i and it's outstanding. The DB1i is more transparent. They are both great speakers and are my two top picks for a very small speaker. I'd pick the PMC over the X12 though. Can't go wrong with either IMO.

 

Hey Jaxwired - I have just bought a Quad 909 poweramp second hand, searching on forum looks like you may have had one in the past, what were your impressions?  AND...if I were to upgrade my speakers to other Dyn's would you suggest or have you had any experience with the new Focus 160's or a second hand pair of contours 1.4s?  Thanks Mate.

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Hey Jaxwired - I have just bought a Quad 909 poweramp second hand, searching on forum looks like you may have had one in the past, what were your impressions?  AND...if I were to upgrade my speakers to other Dyn's would you suggest or have you had any experience with the new Focus 160's or a second hand pair of contours 1.4s?  Thanks Mate.

The 909 is superb. Lots of power, small box, runs cool, loved it. The 909 has fabulous midrange and extended highs. It's only flaw is the bass is not as powerful as some other amps but with Dyn speakers, they don't really need more help with the bass.

What preamp are you using with it? In my experience, the preamp impacts the sound quality more than the amp.

I owned the Contour S1.4s for a good 2 years before changing. I thought they were outstanding. The one caveat is that they have prodigious bass output, more than even the other Dynaudios. If you do not have a big enough room or at least the ability to keep them well clear of all walls, they will sound too boomy. The Focus 160 is the speaker that led me to my current Focus 340s. I bought the 160s after reading all the positive reviews and like them so much I traded them in for the 340s. The 160s do not suffer from the same bass issues that the S1.4s do. They are more balanced. They have delicate open treble and mids with just the perfect amount of deep bass. For a small to medium size room, I'd be going for the 160s over the S1.4s.

Hope that helps. Good luck. Keep us posted.

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ABM78 wrote:

Hi Keenly,

 

I'm also one of those people who don't seem to get along with metal tweeters (or just have not found the right ones) so I went for some Dynaudio Excites which I love and can listen to all day with no ear fatigue so just a suggestion to maybe give them a shot, they are great all-rounders, I am even going to upgrade to a higher Dyn series soon, I think I am a fan for life.

 

 

I am looking at the excite's right now. The testing on stereophile shows they are easier to drive than you would expect. Should be o.k on my Marantz.

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CnoEvil wrote:

Did you try the R100/300, which are a little smoother?

If you find the above too bright as well, you should definitely try the SA1s.

Its not so much brightness. Just a hard edge to vocals.

 

This is exactly what i have said about the Monitor Audio RX range for months and What hi fi have changed their review syaing the EXACT same thing.

I have spoken to people who have the SA1s and everybody says they sound amazing but need a sub. Plus the center is very expensive and i am setting up a 5.1 system.

I would buy an ex demo pair though for cheap.

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To be honest with you this might be a dealers question on here to answer, I know they are not the easiest load but having a quick look at your amp its looks like its pretty ballsy and not a cheap amp when it was new.  I find myself very sensitive to brightness and I cannot fault these speakers as far as brightness is concerned, often they make me smile with the smooth sound that comes out of them.  If they are within your budget give them a shot I guess if someone can confirm they will run fine with your amp, the X-12's are a great little speaker, the X-16 I beleive is basically the same but with more scale and if I had one small regret with the X-12's I have it is that I did not get the X-16's, but they do offer a lot for the size. I plan to move up to the Focus range or keeping an eye out for a second hand Contour as my next purchase.

what are the Dyns like with movies? Too laid back or could they make action scenes sound huge like the cheaper MA RX1s for e.g?

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Hi-FiOutlaw wrote:
This week i've demo Epos Epic 2 and 5. And i must say that they are two complitly different speakers, the 5 is much more bright than the 2, the sales man said that is duo the crossover. And the title best buy under 1k is for the Epic 5.  I thought that the 2's were the same as the 5's, but smaler, but they aren't... Sadly... Last week i've demo the Dyns X12, and, and, and they are the most brilliant speakers that i've heard, they have everything that i want in a speaker at this time, detail, 3d imaging, fading act ( you couldn't point where the sound come from) I felt in love right there! My Brio R will arrive some time in November, and if I buy the Dyns i know that the Brio R will run out of gas before the dyns...

 

So what did you think of the Epic-2 ? I think it will not disappear like the Dynaudio, but with a tube-amp it could do so. The Epic-2 or it's more expensive "brother", the Elan 15, seem very dynamic to me, but also sweet sounding, and kind of neutral. A good amp will bring it's qualities wright out. And the Epic-2 has good strong bass i read from the reviews!

 

Yes they have a strong bass, in this matter nothing to say. I think they need a bright amp, for leveling Thing up ( for my taste) i came from MA B4 with a metal dome twiter, i have them since 2005. 

The Dyns X12 they have the transparency that i like, but on the edge the still are smooth, and my MA aren't.

I don't know if that makes sence...

 

Yes it does, somehow.

My "problem" is, choose for the Epos-sound (maybe new Epic-2 or Elan-15) combined with an extremely good (new) valve-amp which makes the disappear-effect, or buy a speaker which does that (like the Dynaudio's or LS50's) and use a transistoramp, which they need imo.

I heard the Dynaudio's but i think they need a strong, bright, ss-amp, otherwise they sound a bit polite, i think. A valve-amp would be no good partner. The LS50 sounded a bit bright on vocals (not on violins) but loose in the bass, so needs  a warm powerful ss-amp.

Advice will be appreciated!

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Yes it does, somehow.

My "problem" is, choose for the Epos-sound (maybe new Epic-2 or Elan-15) combined with an extremely good (new) valve-amp which makes the disappear-effect, or buy a speaker which does that (like the Dynaudio's or LS50's) and use a transistoramp, which they need imo.

I heard the Dynaudio's but i think they need a strong, bright, ss-amp, otherwise they sound a bit polite, i think. A valve-amp would be no good partner. The LS50 sounded a bit bright on vocals (not on violins) but loose in the bass, so needs  a warm powerful ss-amp.

Advice will be appreciated!

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Well, the new valve-amp would cost 4.500 euro's which is 3.500 GBP. New Epos Elan would be 1.000 euro's + 300 for the stands.

But i think it's more the question of which way to go. Tonight i extremely enjoyed my valvesound again, but the bass sounds too loose which just means less rythmic feel. 

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Hey Jaxwired - I have just bought a Quad 909 poweramp second hand, searching on forum looks like you may have had one in the past, what were your impressions?  AND...if I were to upgrade my speakers to other Dyn's would you suggest or have you had any experience with the new Focus 160's or a second hand pair of contours 1.4s?  Thanks Mate.

The 909 is superb. Lots of power, small box, runs cool, loved it. The 909 has fabulous midrange and extended highs. It's only flaw is the bass is not as powerful as some other amps but with Dyn speakers, they don't really need more help with the bass. What preamp are you using with it? In my experience, the preamp impacts the sound quality more than the amp. I owned the Contour S1.4s for a good 2 years before changing. I thought they were outstanding. The one caveat is that they have prodigious bass output, more than even the other Dynaudios. If you do not have a big enough room or at least the ability to keep them well clear of all walls, they will sound too boomy. The Focus 160 is the speaker that led me to my current Focus 340s. I bought the 160s after reading all the positive reviews and like them so much I traded them in for the 340s. The 160s do not suffer from the same bass issues that the S1.4s do. They are more balanced. They have delicate open treble and mids with just the perfect amount of deep bass. For a small to medium size room, I'd be going for the 160s over the S1.4s. Hope that helps. Good luck. Keep us posted.

Hi Jaxwired,

I was hoping to use my Leema Pulse MkII as the pre-amp but you are the second person who has said the pre-amp can make a big difference to the 909 (although I'm sure this is true with most amps), I guess I will see how it all works out when the Quad gets here and re-asses from there whether I need to look at a dedicated pre-amp. Thanks for your reply.

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