AVI ADM40...coming soon!
Grottyash:Aren't active speakers a bit yesterday? Judging by the recent show here valves are the way of the future.
This is a great quote, can I use it?
Anyone know what kind of price is being proposed?
Dryfeld:AlmaataKZ,
Inspired by you getting your dream sysytem I've decided to do the same in 2011 and, like you, have decided to go down the computer / active route. Alas, my budget doesn't stretch to ATCs, so I will be getting the ADM 9 Ts plus sub. I was wondering if you had any reflections on making the switch now that you've had your system for some time.
Best wishes,
Dave
I am sorry if I was spreading the upgraditis bug around! No harm intended!
Sure, Dave. I can give some reflections. Not to spoil this thread, if you do not mind, I will copy your request into 'my system' thread and answer there.
It's interesting how much of that occurs in HiFi... I can name so many brands that claim to offer "the best products available at any price" and other such nonsense... Sometimes I wonder if delusions of grandeur are a prerequisite for building good gear....FrankHarveyHiFi:I see they're already slagging off the competitionwithout even an A/B demo....
Ajani:It's interesting how much of that occurs in HiFi... I can name so many brands that claim to offer "the best products available at any price" and other such nonsense... Sometimes I wonder if delusions of grandeur are a prerequisite for building good gear....
FrankHarveyHiFi:I see they're already slagging off the competitionwithout even an A/B demo....
No, that's just marketing, you expect companies to talk up their own products, it's when they start slagging off everyone else's that it moves into dodgy territory. They wouldn't be allowed to in an advert (in the UK at least) but it appears nothing happens if they do it in a more informal setting.
Mind you, when I say 'competition', I mean what they class as competition.
the_lhc:No, that's just marketing, you expect companies to talk up their own products, it's when they start slagging off everyone else's that it moves into dodgy territory. They wouldn't be allowed to in an advert (in the UK at least) but it appears nothing happens if they do it in a more informal setting.
Ajani:It's interesting how much of that occurs in HiFi... I can name so many brands that claim to offer "the best products available at any price" and other such nonsense... Sometimes I wonder if delusions of grandeur are a prerequisite for building good gear....
FrankHarveyHiFi:I see they're already slagging off the competitionwithout even an A/B demo....
I don't really see a meaningful differences between claiming my product is the best available versus directly saying that my competitor's products are inferior to mine... I might be more readily able to avoid lawsuits for one claim versus the other, but in spirit they amount to the same claim...
Also, I've seen several brands that readily diss the competition (or at least the competition's technology - SS vs Tubes, Class A/B vs D, etc)...
Ajani:the_lhc:No, that's just marketing, you expect companies to talk up their own products, it's when they start slagging off everyone else's that it moves into dodgy territory. They wouldn't be allowed to in an advert (in the UK at least) but it appears nothing happens if they do it in a more informal setting.
Ajani:It's interesting how much of that occurs in HiFi... I can name so many brands that claim to offer "the best products available at any price" and other such nonsense... Sometimes I wonder if delusions of grandeur are a prerequisite for building good gear....
FrankHarveyHiFi:I see they're already slagging off the competitionwithout even an A/B demo....I don't really see a meaningful differences between claiming my product is the best available versus directly saying that my competitor's products are inferior to mine...
In the first instance all you're saying is "We're the best!", you're not actually mentioning anyone else's products at all, in the second instance, at least wrt what this thread is talking about you're actively naming other brands and putting them down. There's a big difference there.
I might be more readily able to avoid lawsuits for one claim versus the other, but in spirit they amount to the same claim...
No, they really don't, one is positive marketing of your own products, the other is distinctly negative discussion of someone else's products.
Also, I've seen several brands that readily diss the competition (or at least the competition's technology - SS vs Tubes, Class A/B vs D, etc)...
See there again, you can "diss" a particular technology, without actually attacking a rival manufacturer, technology is speaking in generalities, it's not the same as picking out a particular brand and claiming them to be rubbish.
so, where is the info on the new AVIs?
Grottyash:Aren't active speakers a bit yesterday? Judging by the recent show here valves are the way of the future.
It could be active speakers are a peculiarly British phenomenon - Genelec are the big active players here, but there's not been hundreds other manufacturers flocking to follow suit, and there is a more than health local speaker industry here and in the region..
See also Dynaudio, Adam, Tannoy...the pro-audio field has plenty of names you'd recognise in the domestic market. And they're definitely not a British phenomenon - Genelec are Finnish I think and have a global reach. Same goes for the rest.
the_lhc:In the first instance all you're saying is "We're the best!", you're not actually mentioning anyone else's products at all, in the second instance, at least wrt what this thread is talking about you're actively naming other brands and putting them down. There's a big difference there.
Ajani:the_lhc:No, that's just marketing, you expect companies to talk up their own products, it's when they start slagging off everyone else's that it moves into dodgy territory. They wouldn't be allowed to in an advert (in the UK at least) but it appears nothing happens if they do it in a more informal setting.
Ajani:It's interesting how much of that occurs in HiFi... I can name so many brands that claim to offer "the best products available at any price" and other such nonsense... Sometimes I wonder if delusions of grandeur are a prerequisite for building good gear....
FrankHarveyHiFi:I see they're already slagging off the competitionwithout even an A/B demo....I don't really see a meaningful differences between claiming my product is the best available versus directly saying that my competitor's products are inferior to mine...
No, they really don't, one is positive marketing of your own products, the other is distinctly negative discussion of someone else's products.I might be more readily able to avoid lawsuits for one claim versus the other, but in spirit they amount to the same claim...See there again, you can "diss" a particular technology, without actually attacking a rival manufacturer, technology is speaking in generalities, it's not the same as picking out a particular brand and claiming them to be rubbish.Also, I've seen several brands that readily diss the competition (or at least the competition's technology - SS vs Tubes, Class A/B vs D, etc)...
So if a manufacturer of Class A/B amps claims that his amps are superior to Class D amps because Class D is rubbish, and it's only benefit is to save on electricity, that's just positive advertising?
However, if that manufacturer was to say that X brand's products are rubbish because they use Class D tech, then that would be wrong?
I think we may just have to agree to disagree on this one... While in the first scenario, competitors are not specifically mentioned, it still amounts to the exact same claim: Class D amps are rubbish and by extension products from competitors (using Class D) are rubbish.. One is just more politically correct than the other...
the record spot:
Grottyash:Aren't active speakers a bit yesterday? Judging by the recent show here valves are the way of the future.
It could be active speakers are a peculiarly British phenomenon - Genelec are the big active players here, but there's not been hundreds other manufacturers flocking to follow suit, and there is a more than health local speaker industry here and in the region..
See also Dynaudio, Adam, Tannoy...the pro-audio field has plenty of names you'd recognise in the domestic market. And they're definitely not a British phenomenon - Genelec are Finnish I think and have a global reach. Same goes for the rest.
Yep active speakers are still dominant in the pro audio world... Also, active speakers with built in DACs are becoming more and more popular in the pro audio world... AVI's active products are only radical in the consumer HiFi market...
Apologies, the record spot, I wasn't clear enough in my post. I'm living in Finland at the moment and was referring to the Finnish, Swedish and Danish speaker industry, not the British.
Grottyash:It could be active speakers are a peculiarly British phenomenon
Not quite. Here's a scandinavian take on the concept: Audio Pro Living LV3
Wireless ready, clad in leather, and according to todays exchange rate cost £1274.12
There's also a small bookshelf version costing £636.60 (Living LV2). Unfortunately, neither seem to be available in the UK.
Especially when you consider the cost of the AVI ADM9T + AVI Subwoofer + AirPort Express + Airfoil (£2025), the Living LV3 seems a very tempting proposition indeed.
Aren't active speakers a bit yesterday? Judging by the recent show here valves are the way of the future.
It could be active speakers are a peculiarly British phenomenon - Genelec are the big active players here, but there's not been hundreds other manufacturers flocking to follow suit, and there is a more than health local speaker industry here and in the region..