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Fairly new to this forum, just a bit confused about cds and where things are going. SACD seems to be the latest thing but is it worth it on older recordings which only had 2 tracks anyway? Say 50s jazz. Also I don't want to fork out loads of money for SACDs when a few years down the line there will be something better, what do people think?

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RE: SACD

There will always be something new around the corner!

SACD, whilst making a slight resurgance, are still old hat. Certainly not worth the money unless you actually own something to play them on already. I still buy them now and again.

Vinyl is making a comeback but again decent heavyweight LPs are not cheap.

At the moment if you want to future-proof then hi-res downloads appears to be the way to go. Smile

 

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RE: SACD

Neither SACD, nor the rival DVD-Audio format, have really taken off, although SACD did enjoy some limited success for a while in the classical music market. But with the move to hi-res downloads, disc-based media seem to be in decline.

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Ripping SACD's with older firmware PS3's has meant DSD (dsf or dff format) playable files via J River on a PC available for some, although I'm not sure whether this will be made legal with the governments new plans, probably not. Legitimate hi-res download sites like HDTracks are I assume ripping SACD's or using DSD files and then convert to PCM for those albums they offer in 88.2khz and 176.4khz FLAC formats. I'm hopeful they'll make the original DSD files available to download as we have J River and Foobar2000 capable of handling them, plus the £1000 Mytek Stereo 192 DSD DAC which can decode via USB!

There's no doubt in my mind having heard DVD-Audio and Blu-Ray PCM hires discs that SACD sounds the best. Unfortuantely it made it's entrance to the world in the late 90's at a time when everyone (not me!) was clammering to degrade their music by compressing it to mp3! It's different times now, large storage is cheaper, the SACD disc may not make a come back, but lets have some DSD downloads.

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OK thanks for that advise, re downloads where is the best place to do it and onto what. Do you download onto a cd then play it? 

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You can't legitimately download any mainstream DSD files from SACD rips unfortunatley, only PCM conversions at 88.2 or 176.4khz. HDTracks in the US is probably the best, but you need to use a VPN showing your IP address in the USA and pay by PayPal.

In the UK, have a look at Linn Studio Masters for hires downloads. You can make a hires DVD-Audio disc with these files if you have the right software, I prefer to playback FLAC files via my PC and DAC.

If you're quick, this is available for free download until tomorrow. 'Red River Maples' sounds great, these are 24bit 96KHz studio masters.

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OK thanks pete321 for the link, most not my cup of tea but Peter Alderton was pretty good, typical Linn sound, I have a Blue Nile cd.

What is difference between FLAC and ALAC?

Yes seems DSD is the way forward but not much available now and my pc sound is not that great,job to tell difference between mp3 and the studio master.

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BigH wrote:

What is difference between FLAC and ALAC?

They're both lossless formats for encoding music. You won't hear the difference on your PC unless it's playing the music bit perfect. Windows sends everything out at 16bit 48khz regardless. I use a Musical Fidelity V-Link 192 connected to my PC via USB, the V-Link then connects to my Rega DAC via SPDIF playing everything up to 24bit 192khz. I use J River software on my PC which is playing back bit perfect via it's WASAPI setting.

If you have DSD files, J River can either stream them to a suitable DSD capable DAC (such as the Mytek) or convert them on-the-fly to PCM at 352.8khz!

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See here for SACD titles available.

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Thanks again for info and link, seems quite a few available on SACD but prices are a bit steep. Surprised that ECM only have one album on SACD.

 

At the moment I have an old Marantz 63SE cd player, was considering getting the MArantz 6004 but not sure it will be much better.

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dsd downloads

 

http://dsd-guide.com/free-downloads http://bluecoastrecords.com/free-downloads http://www.channelclassics.com/aboutdsd http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html http://dsd-guide.com/http://dsd-guide.com/free-downloads http://bluecoastrecords.com/free-downloads http://www.channelclassics.com/aboutdsd http://www.2l.no/hires/index.html http://dsd-guide.com/

 

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BigH wrote:

Thanks again for info and link, seems quite a few available on SACD but prices are a bit steep. Surprised that ECM only have one album on SACD.

 

At the moment I have an old Marantz 63SE cd player, was considering getting the MArantz 6004 but not sure it will be much better.

 

The Marantz CD6004 will not play SACD, maybe invest the money in a decent DAC? Then use your 63SE as a transport for CDS and you have the option of playing hi res files through the DAC!

Also in effect upgrade the ability of your CDP with a DAC all depends on your budget!

 

 

 

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Thanks yes realise the 6004 does not play SACD, so I think SACD is out of the question due to cost of player and SACD prices, I don't mind paying say £18 for a Linn studio DSM but £30 for some old recordings is too much. 

 

I don't know anything about DACs can you recommend any and are prices likely to fall in the next year or so.

 

Only problem with 63SE is remote does not work (no big deal) but cd tray does not open on first or second push of button.

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depends what budget you have for a DAC?

 

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Say £500. I have not thought about this really at all as don't really know enough about it and even now am pretty confused how DSD etc all works.

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RE: SACD

Forget dsd, sacd is basically dead, just go for a dac that will handle hi-res music if it's that important to you.

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