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RE: PMC PB1i Signature vs PMC Fact 8

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I have them until Monday. Facts to follow..... if I need them.....  Wink

As good as I am sure the PB1i's are, (and i hope you are loving them), you owe it to yourself to try the Facts at home too before you make up your mind. Otherwise you will always have that nagging doubt in your mind  Wink

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Had the PB1i Signatures for a couple of days so far. Unfortunately work has kicked off so I haven't been able to treat myself to a full day with them yet, but so far they are the most revealing speakers I have ever heard. Honestly, clichéd as this may sound, they are uncovering new stuff from EVERY piece of music that I own. Breaths where there weren't any before, plectrum plucks, new instruments etc. The soundstage is extraordinary with instruments all easily discernible in their own space. The bass is beautifully balanced and can go very, very deep. My only critisms are that they absolutely massacre badly recorded music, and I do mean massacre it, and that sometimes they sound a bit too polite in comparison to my Kefs. I guess this is because they are giving an absolutely accurate representation of the recordings. My problem is that IMHO sometimes things are better being partially disguised than stripped bare. I'm not sure that I want to render a proportion of my music redundant for the sake of the better half, but what a better half it is with these speakers! A dilemma indeed!

 

 

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At the sort of money you are looking to spend, have you tried:

Proac D40R
Kef Reference 205/2
Spendor ST

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Had the PB1i Signatures for a couple of days so far. Unfortunately work has kicked off so I haven't been able to treat myself to a full day with them yet, but so far they are the most revealing speakers I have ever heard. Honestly, clichéd as this may sound, they are uncovering new stuff from EVERY piece of music that I own. Breaths where there weren't any before, plectrum plucks, new instruments etc. The soundstage is extraordinary with instruments all easily discernible in their own space. The bass is beautifully balanced and can go very, very deep. My only critisms are that they absolutely massacre badly recorded music, and I do mean massacre it, and that sometimes they sound a bit too polite in comparison to my Kefs. I guess this is because they are giving an absolutely accurate representation of the recordings. My problem is that IMHO sometimes things are better being partially disguised than stripped bare. I'm not sure that I want to render a proportion of my music redundant for the sake of the better half, but what a better half it is with these speakers! A dilemma indeed!

 

 

You know when you have been PMC'ed   Wink

An excellent review. You have now experienced just how realistic a HiFi system can sound :grin:

The biggest problem that you now have is that you have heard just how fantastic well recorded music can sound through the PB1i's and it is now stuck in your memory forever and there is no going back  :O

If you make a compromise using a lesser speaker so that your poor Quality recordings sound a little better you will miss out on that fantastic rush of pleasure that you have just experienced with good recordings , can you live without that now ? Smile

To be honest I think if you listen again to your lesser quality recordings they can be just as enjoyable as before as you can truly appreciate  the musical content , but the good quality recording sound so much better than before there is a greater contrast between the two, it is something that you get used to with time .

You will probably find that some of the recording that you thought were pretty average before will sound a lot better when you play them through the PB1i 's , when I first got my PB1i's it was like a voyage of surprising discoveries .

I really hope you enjoy yourself and I am sure you have already experienced just how astonishing good the PB1i's are :grin:

I am going to post a youtube video of the PB1i sigs in action for those who have not seen a pair and especially for CNO , check out those amps :O Wink :grin:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=z2vZrBeamfU&feature=endscreen

Sorry CNO Smile I have been looking for an excuse to post this video for ages Wink

 

 

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I am going to post a youtube video of the PB1i sigs in action for those who have not seen a pair and especially for CNO , check out those amps :O Wink :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=z2vZrBeamfU&feature=endscreen

Sorry CNO Smile I have been looking for an excuse to post this video for ages Wink

What a wonderful system, though you know of course that it's the AMS stuff making the speakers sound good!! Blum 3

To be serious for a minute, I have always thought the PB1s were serious competition to my beloved 205/2s, but they were not stocked, so could not do a direct comparison. They are both reference level monitors that, in the right system, look right into the heart of a recording.

Pairing either of with a powerful Class A (or very carefully chosen AB) amp minimizes the effect of bad recordings - not because the amps colour the sound, but imo, because (in the case of Class A) remove crossover distortion.

Did you see my "Evening with Touraj Moghaddam" thread, where I listened to, and photographed a full Electro system. It was unlike you not to make a comment, if you'd noticed it?

Have you ever heard Kef Refs (sorry if I've asked this before, as it's hard to keep track)?

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"What a wonderful system, though you know of course that it's the AMS stuff making the speakers sound good!! Tongue"

ROFL   :grin:   Blum 3 :P

 

Yes I read your "Evening with Touraj Moghaddam" thread and it was very interesting I was going to make a comment but got side tracked , I will re visit it for another look Smile

I have not heard any of the latest versions of the KEF reference series but have heard a few of the older models but I can't remember specific model numbers .

Is it just me or do you find the different model numbers of the reference series present and past really confusing :?

I have heard an older version of a Kef Reference floorstanding speaker  ( I can't remember the model number but they looked quite different to yours ) at the UK Electrocompaniet service centre in London with the same CDP and preamp as mine and a pair of Nemo monoblocks and I was very underwhelmed , quite disappointed actually .

The listening room had only just been finished and was crying out for some acoustic treatment so that may have been the problem as it was very bare and reflective , I made a suggestion that they should try some acoustic treatment because it was not a very good demo for Electrocompaniet or KEF . This was a few years ago so I hope they have sorted out the room acoustics by now !

 

 

 

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Is it just me or do you find the different model numbers of the reference series present and past really confusing :?

Very!

Electro wrote:

I have heard an older version of a Kef Reference floorstanding speaker  ( I can't remember the model number but they looked quite different to yours ) at the UK Electrocompaniet service centre in London with the same CDP and preamp as mine and a pair of Nemo monoblocks and I was very underwhelmed , quite disappointed actually .

The Kef Refs of old had quite a different sound, with big warm bass that took very good amplification to control it and a darker treble. Also, some of these older models were too ruthlessly revealing of partnering kit for their own good, like 105/3.

I didn't take to the previous incarnation of the present series (with the super-tweeter on top), which were far too bright for my taste. The Mk2 versions were a huge improvement, and not just in the tweeter, but also in the bass drivers (which was reflected in the price hike). I would describe them as having just a hint of forgiveness.

They are cameleon-like in the way they take on the personality of the partnering kit, which for me is perfect for allowing the types of amp I like to truly shine.

Just like PMC, they are a great choice where a both HT and 2 channel duties are required, as they have serious dynamic impact and excitement.

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Hi  Gazzip ,

Have you made any decisions ?

I would be very interested to know more about your audition and general overall impression of the two speakers Smile

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Hi Electro,

 

I am now the proud and happy owner of..... PMC PB1i Sigs. I didn't bother trying the Fact 8's in the end due to being totally smitten with the PB1's. I stand by my previous comments re. badly recorded music being smashed to bits by them but that is the bane of good HiFi IMHO. No doubt others will disagree but some music just isn't designed to be played on revealing equipment and I am prepared to live with that.

Best,

gazziP

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Hi Electro,

 

I am now the proud and happy owner of..... PMC PB1i Sigs. I didn't bother trying the Fact 8's in the end due to being totally smitten with the PB1's. I stand by my previous comments re. badly recorded music being smashed to bits by them but that is the bane of good HiFi IMHO. No doubt others will disagree but some music just isn't designed to be played on revealing equipment and I am prepared to live with that.

Best,

gazziP

Well done :cheers: :cheer: :rockout:

Exactly the same happened to me when I heard my PB1i's , I just knew immediately that there was no point listening to any more speakers they are a truly astonishingly good speaker and the affordable jewel of the i series range .

They reproduce music like it is a real musical event which is very rare at any price !

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Electro Post#5,

The youtube you provided, at what resolution is the audio playing back? I'd be interested to know. Does it reflect the speaker fidelity?

regards

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Electro Post#5,

The youtube you provided, at what resolution is the audio playing back? I'd be interested to know. Does it reflect the speaker fidelity?

regards

I have no idea what the resolution is , it is just a video I found on youtube .

The sound quality from the youtube video would not come even close to the real thing and is not an accurate representation of how the speakers sound but only how they look . Smile

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