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Yes, for me it's Magnepan.

I cant agree, personally, however good the Maggies are or can be, like any speaker IME they are flawed. Dont get me wrong, if you have the room for them, then there is likely to be anything else that will better them.

If I had the money and room, panel speakers is where I would be heading in direction.

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Yes, for me it's Magnepan.

Just read your reply again, :type: Spot on, if you like them and are happy Dirol  

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FrankHarveyHiFi wrote:

So we're expected to know every single product in store, inside and out, know how it compares to every other competitive product, and how it works with all partnering possibilities. We're also expected to know all of the above for everything we don't stock too. We're expected to be electrical engineers, and have degrees in electronics and physics. Oh, and let's not forget we need to be acoustic engineers too. Now we have to have extensive knowledge of the origins of all genres of music (even those we hate), extensive knowledge of every instrument ever known to man and exactly how they sound (and probably their inner workings too), and probably be able to play them all too. 

Where's it going to stop? And when does the wage increases start to reflect all this?

You have my fullest sympathy here, FHHiFi. Having worked in retail and in other jobs that have a strong 'service' focus I can categorically say that people in this country are getting worse. I used to think that the Americans I worked for were demanding, but the Brits have caught up quite nicely. Sorry to say that the Brits have few of the redeeming features of the Yanks (largely positive and cheerful). I now deal with people on a daily basis who are aggressive and bullish and will stop at nothing to 'get it cheaper'. I have to say that I get a large degree of satisfaction when I hear that their 'cheaper deal' has gone tits up on them. When I worked in retail electronics, people would think nothing of picking your brain for upwards of an hour, then say; 'we'll, I'll have a think' and then go and buy it on the Internet. The really brass-necked ones would occasionally come in with their new, Internet purchased kit, and ask for it to be explained to them.

I feel for shop staff. Low wages, low morale, low margin and a predatory, thankless public whose 'expectations' rise exponentially in the name of 'good customer service'. Bullsh*t! It is nothing more than people getting what they want, when they want, and for as little as possible and this selfish, craven behaviour makes them spiritually bankrupt. Since when was the consumer God?!

Of course, there is also a wealth of rude, dissinterested shop staff who richly deserve to lose their jobs to the Internet.

What you might call your essential dichotomy.

 

Very much echoes my experience in working at a retail level selling AV, and also in years back in photography and other areas.

Certainly at the AV retail level, I experienced very similar things to what you have outlined - the customers would lie to the staff, the staff to the customers, and general ethics and respect/consideration on both sides of the fence went out the window.

I'd never want to work in that environment again, and certainly have no intention of buying goods from those sorts of stores/sales environments, be it HiFi or anything else.

 

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Don't get me wrong, when I say this is a dying industry, I mean in general. BUsiness is great and due to the large range we have, we're very busy Smile

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IMHO the best equipment either gets your foot tapping, gives you goosebumps or both. Doesn't have to be expensive...

Absolutely, am with you on that...and different types of 'musicality' will get different feet tapping & geese Blum 3  bumping.

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I take it we haven't agreed on which is the best speaker, then?!

No, partly because that wasn't actually the question - though we didn't find out until a couple of days later!

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Thanks for listening, and for your post - apologies about the length of this one...

JMac

I'm glad to see that there is someone on here who actually waffles more than me.......I think it shows passion, and may even have a tenuous link with a love of classical music.  :twisted:

With the experience that you've obviously had, have you ever heard an Audio Note system?........all from one manufacturer, which imo strikes at the heart of what reproducing music is all about.

Anyway, I'm glad you are happy with your system.

:cheers:

Cno

 

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JMacMan wrote:

Thanks for listening, and for your post - apologies about the length of this one...

JMac

I'm glad to see that there is someone on here who actually waffles more than me.......I think it shows passion, and may even have a tenuous link with a love of classical music.  :twisted:

With the experience that you've obviously had, have you ever heard an Audio Note system?........all from one manufacturer, which imo strikes at the heart of what reproducing music is all about.

Anyway, I'm glad you are happy with your system.

:cheers:

Cno

 

Some years ago I had the pleasure of listening to the Audio Note Ongaku driving Audio Note speakers ( sorry I can't recall the model) at the dealer's showroom.

The sound was frighteningly good- so much so that I had to leave the room after 15 mins because I was actually afraid that went I went home, I might have found my own system unlistenable! :boohoo:

Luckily, auditory memory being as short-term as it is, I survived the experience.

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Some years ago I had the pleasure of listening to the Audio Note Ongaku driving Audio Note speakers ( sorry I can't recall the model) at the dealer's showroom. The sound was frighteningly good- so much so that I had to leave the room after 15 mins because I was actually afraid that went I went home, I might have found my own system unlistenable! :boohoo: Luckily, auditory memory being as short-term as it is, I survived the experience.

If I was to have a purely 2 channel system, it would most likely be an Audio Note one.

Here is the one I heard, and it left a lasting impression (room 057): http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/19/11/2010/northern-ireland-audio-show-part-three/

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JMacMan wrote:

Thanks for listening, and for your post - apologies about the length of this one...

JMac

I'm glad to see that there is someone on here who actually waffles more than me.......I think it shows passion, and may even have a tenuous link with a love of classical music.  :twisted:

With the experience that you've obviously had, have you ever heard an Audio Note system?........all from one manufacturer, which imo strikes at the heart of what reproducing music is all about.

Anyway, I'm glad you are happy with your system.

:cheers:

Cno

 

 

I have heard an Audio Note system - but it was many years ago when I was shopping for a new system at the time - which ended up being Naim, the new system being prompted by the need to move forward from a soley TT based system, to one embracing CD.

Needed to make an appointment, and the shop had bars and chains on the door - had to be unlocked to be let in - and went with a very experienced musician friend to have a listen - I can't remember the CD player, but it was Audio Note amp and speakers.

Good sound on Jazz, in that atypical 'breathy' up close, vocal rendition, but pretty average on other things such as pipe organ that I have a penchant for.  At about the same time, I remember going to one of the local HiFi shows, and saw (but did not hear) an Audionote Onagaku - as I recall, it was circa A$400,000.00 - an completely OTT price equivalent in round figures to the price of a new house at the time.  They were marketing it along the lines of Mr Kondo taking a full year to wind just one transformer with precious silver wire etc, and hearing an audiophool anxiously asking as to what type of valves it had in it, re the different sound of valves etc, plus the dealer experience, I decided it was just all to hair brained and extreme/eccentric to be of serious interest to me, and forgot about them, preferring to leave them to obsessive/OCD audiophools.

I'm fairly pragmatic when it comes to HiFi and spending money, and have no truck with rocket science and general audiophool voodoo, of which I thought audionote was a good example.  it's good sound to be sure, but ludicrous pricing, and I neither want nor need the hype and BS that goes with it.

Thats just me though...  Wink... 

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CnoEvil wrote:

If I was to have a purely 2 channel system, it would most likely be an Audio Note one.

Here is the one I heard, and it left a lasting impression (room 057): http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/19/11/2010/northern-ireland-audio-show-part-three/

I heard a similar set up many years ago at the Heathrow show using the original Ankoru Mono blocks which at that time were £14,000 , that sound left a lasting impression on me that is still vivid even after all these years .

It was a truly wonderful experience that had nothing to do with musical accuracy but it was absolutely stunning none the less Smile , how do they do that :?   :grin:

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CnoEvil wrote:

Singslinger wrote:

Some years ago I had the pleasure of listening to the Audio Note Ongaku driving Audio Note speakers ( sorry I can't recall the model) at the dealer's showroom. The sound was frighteningly good- so much so that I had to leave the room after 15 mins because I was actually afraid that went I went home, I might have found my own system unlistenable! :boohoo: Luckily, auditory memory being as short-term as it is, I survived the experience.

If I was to have a purely 2 channel system, it would most likely be an Audio Note one.

Here is the one I heard, and it left a lasting impression (room 057): http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/19/11/2010/northern-ireland-audio-show-part-three/

Mouth-watering stuff - especially those speakers and amps! :cheers:

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JMacMan wrote:

I'm fairly pragmatic when it comes to HiFi and spending money, and have no truck with rocket science and general audiophool voodoo, of which I thought audionote was a good example.  it's good sound to be sure, but ludicrous pricing, and I neither want nor need the hype and BS that goes with it.

Thats just me though...  Wink... 

I certainly have a sympathy for your viewpoint.

Audio Note goes from level Zero (around £5k, I think) to level 6 (silly money), so there is a fair amount of scope in between. I was impressed that it could be set up in any old room, plonked on any old table and sound stunning (and not just with cherry-picked music)........way better (imo) than some of the much more expensive systems being shown. NOS Dacs and SET amps is keeping one foot firmly planted in the past.

In my case, I reckon my MF AMS35i with Kef Refs are remarkably open, detailed, musical, and natural, while being versatile with all genres of music........and without suffering from some of the weaknesses that are often associated with valve amps.

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Electro wrote:

I heard a similar set up many years ago at the Heathrow show using the original Ankoru Mono blocks which at that time were £14,000 , that sound left a lasting impression on me that is still vivid even after all these years .

It was a truly wonderful experience that had nothing to do with musical accuracy but it was absolutely stunning none the less Smile , how do they do that :?   :grin:

This is a good point.

It's almost like it's the hifi equivalent of a Stradivarious, where the sound that comes out the other end is pure emotion......imo. it sounds more like real musicians playing real music in a real room. Most SS systems sound a little synthetic in comparison (again imo). Music should stir the emotions, and AN stuff does exactly that.

 

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Yes, for me it's Magnepan.

Second that!

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