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JCBrum, can you also please tell me when you've had the opportunity to compare the drivers in the ADM 40's against the drivers in my speakers? There aren't many people in the UK that have the same speakers as me. It's possible that there aren't any.

 

What are your speakers, lindsayt?

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What are these, please?

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oldric_naubhoff wrote:

 

What are these, please?

Magico Q3.

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lindsayt wrote:

Ok, thanks for clarifying that JCBrum.

What are you doing on Saturday 2nd March 2013 or Sunday 3rd March 2013?

 

I hope you are not suggesting that they actually compare AVIs to a real hi-fi speakers are you? It will NEVER happen.

AVI will not go to shows, such as Bristol, for people to judge 'as normals don't go there'. Actually normal people know exactly why AVI don't want to be compared to other hi-fi speakers. I wonder why? :?

AVI won't supply their dealers with stock, so customers cannot compare them to real loudspeakers. I wonder why? :?

AVI cult members won't take their speakers to shows, such as pie-fi. to compare to real speakers. I wonder why? :?

Do tell? It should be quite fun to hear your own personal opinions.

What I would like to know is (genuinely) why anyone would take their speakers (or any other hifi equipment for that matter) anywhere other than their own home to listen to? What's that all about? Does this really happen?

The whole concept of moving a hifi system to some sort of convention seems rather bizarre to me. Is this what you consider normal?

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John Duncan wrote:

atticus wrote:

oldric_naubhoff wrote:

 

What are these, please?

Magico Q3.

I can understand the liking for traditional wooden boxes and gloss/matt solid colours, but they don't really do it for me.

I have to say that I'm not top keen on the look of any standard speakers. I'd rather they were invisible personally. There are some very striking lifestyle speaker designs though and I really like the B&O range, but there are many others and it would be nice for someone to combine style and substance a bit more often, without charging prohibitive prices.

 

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Is that the best you can come back with Overdose?

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Well,  . . .  perhaps they heard you're going jj  ?    :? 

 

Dealers are supplied with stock of ADM9s, although the margin provided is rather less than some dealers wish for.  This tends to inhibit their ordering I suppose, however my local dealer in Birmingham has had them in stock continuously since introduction.  There are currently several pairs on demo, but orders are usually supplied from new stock delivered direct from the works.

 

AVI have their own factory shop, and demonstration facilities, and will usually entertain interested enquirers to lunch, as well.  It's good fun there.

 

I did ask Martin if dealers could supply the ADM40s, and he said no problem.  It's simply that AVI decided to keep the cost as low as possible and supply them to order only from the factory.  There is no reason why any dealer shouldn't order them if he wishes, and some have.

 

The rider to that last bit is that a dealer should be regarded (by the customer) as someone who 'adds value' to the transaction.  The ADM40s, have only one price, which is the same, whether it is an end user or a dealer who places the order. It is the ex-works price.

 

Consequently, if you wished to purchase them from your local dealer, you should negotiate with him a suitable amount of money to reward him for his 'added value', and simply increase your funding to him by that amount, in addition to the ex-works price of the speakers.

 

JC

 

 

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p.s. I seem to recall that AVI have commented in the past, that if they followed a traditional distributor, and dealer, resale model, their loudspeakers would need to be two or three times the price available direct from the works.  I think they do give the end user a big advantage by the facility to choose to avoid distributor and dealer costs, if they wish.  Thousands (literally) of satisfied customers have availed themselves of this facility.  -  JC

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The sound quality is better than anything else, and the distortions are lower.

 

Lower than what? I don't doubt that AVI speakers sound great (they clearly have a very loyal fanbase), but distortion is easily measured. So if the claim is that they have lower distortion than X or Y, then they should simply release their measurements to prove it. 

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AVI will say that they need to cost two to three times more because they're trying to make dealers look bad, insinuating that they live off huge margins and drive home in their Bentleys to their country mansions. Saying that the 9's would cost over £3.5k is ludicrous. A bit of realism wouldn't go amiss.

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AVI will say that they need to cost two to three times more because they're trying to make dealers look bad, insinuating that they live off huge margins and drive home in their Bentleys to their country mansions. Saying that the 9's would cost over £3.5k is ludicrous. A bit of realism wouldn't go amiss.

I'm sure I heard of a manufacturer who owned a Bentley but I can't remember who it was...

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http://www.sonusfaber.com/aida/en/

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jcbrum wrote:
The sound quality is better than anything else, and the distortions are lower.

The main distortion is how much noise two old blokes in a shed, selling – what? – 10 or 20 pairs of speakers a month, tops, can create when they marshal their acolytes.

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http://www.sonusfaber.com/aida/en/

 

£79,000 a pair !

 

Any at the pie-show to listen to ?

 

JC

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AVI will say that they need to cost two to three times more because they're trying to make dealers look bad, insinuating that they live off huge margins and drive home in their Bentleys to their country mansions. Saying that the 9's would cost over £3.5k is ludicrous. A bit of realism wouldn't go amiss.

 

That's actually a pretty standard claim by many brands that sell only internet direct. I don't believe I've ever seen any of those brands provide any calculations to justify the claim though. 

 

Sure, you can cut out the dealer's margin by selling direct, but you generate additional costs to do so. You need to expand your ordering./customer care team to deal with lots of individual customer orders (rather than few, relatively large orders from dealers). If you plan to have stock available, you need to expand your storage facilities to do so, etc... So it's not as though you just cut out all the costs associatied with a dealer.

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