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The ADM's are a strange product in some ways. If someone contemplates a new speaker or other component with a possible upgrade of other stuff in the future it makes sense to recommend them.

Don't follow mate. If someone already has an amp and a CD player, why recommend actives? If they have nothing fair enough, but even then there are a lot more active speakers than AVI, some better, some worse, just like any speaker. They don't do big bass, so it seems odd that they get recommended for people who want just that. Sure, you can add a sub, but you can do that for any speaker.

Besides, come April, it'll be the moose audios that everyone will want!

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altruistic.lemon wrote:
They don't do big bass

No, they don't boom at all!  Wink

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Pardon my ignorance, but what are 'Moose Audios' ? 

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Pardon my ignorance, but what are 'Moose Audios' ? 

 

Its a soon to be released active mini monitor

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Thank you sir, just had a gander at their website. They look promising, not sure about the price once available in the uk! 

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Thank you sir, just had a gander at their website. They look promising, not sure about the price once available in the uk! 

 

It won't be cheap but it is a whole system so to speak, the drivers are top of line.

Look at it this way, a pair of, for example, PMC DB1i's cost over a thousand pounds on their own.

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Instead of the usual argy bargy whenever AVI get mentioned, how about constructive comments about what you think is the ideal speaker design and the speaker that’s closest to it? It might be more interesting?

 

....I'd also like to hear Genelec's 8260A (10", 5", 1" drivers and DSP for ~ £7000) to hear what well implemented DSP does to the sound.

I only had a ten minute play with them in a shop that had iffy acoustics and I was listening to music that I didn't recognise. The difference to the sound of the 8260a with the DSP switched on was a subtle improvement to the bass which seemed to get a bit tighter. The midrange, treble and stereo image didn't seem to be effected by the DSP though.

 

It also had two different DSP settings which worked well. One that was set with the microphone placed in one position that optimised the sound for a single seating position which ultimately gave the best sound quality providing you don't move. The other setting was setup with the microphone in three different positions which didn't sound quite as good as the first setting when sitting in the 'sweet spot' but it did sound better when I moved out of the sweet spot and walked around the room.

 

They were very impressive and the Genelec computer software seemed intuitive and easy to use for the basic commands. Apparently they'll automatically set themselves up with the optimum settings for the room but there's also loads of other more in depth options which allow you to tweek every aspect of the sound until hearts content too.

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David, you are completely wasted just selling stereo and av.  With an answer like that you should be answering questions on behalf of the Labour Party about all their current policies.

Why, just because you think I'm lying? Just because you think it, doesn't make it so.

 

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Strange that some  of us saw a certain dealers price list and some of their mark-up was better than 100% on certain products.  Perhaps your suppliers don't give you such good discounts.  You have a HDD account,  I'm sure someone will give you the detail if you ask nicely.  

There are no products for a dealer that are 100%. Why are dealers closing down if they're making 100%? Hell, if it was all 100% margins I'd open up my own shop! 

A distributor selling direct at retail prices might make 100% or get close to, but no retailers in the hi-fi/AV sector.

 

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Well as a Cult member. 

 

Ive got no problem with the margins (alleged or actual). More expert types of shops such as hi Fi give real service (mostly) and may have a relatively slow turnover. 

A supermarket just stacks its products and makes a killing, and if its not making enough it'll screw suppliers until it does. When the economy is totally screwed and we're all skint, we still have to buy food. 

 

As a consumer, of course I'll have a whinge though. 

 

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And the original poster, with one post to his/her name and an blank first post at that, was never seen again.

But look at the size of this thread! I'm not sure whether to be impressed or saddened :cheer:

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relocated wrote:
David, you are completely wasted just selling stereo and av.  With an answer like that you should be answering questions on behalf of the Labour Party about all their current policies.

Why, just because you think I'm lying? Just because you think it, doesn't make it so.

 

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Strange that some  of us saw a certain dealers price list and some of their mark-up was better than 100% on certain products.  Perhaps your suppliers don't give you such good discounts.  You have a HDD account,  I'm sure someone will give you the detail if you ask nicely.  

There are no products for a dealer that are 100%. Why are dealers closing down if they're making 100%? Hell, if it was all 100% margins I'd open up my own shop! 

A distributor selling direct at retail prices might make 100% or get close to, but no retailers in the hi-fi/AV sector.

 

I think he is mis-reading margins and thinking that the cost you pay and the cost you sell for is good clean profit. How dare you have to pay for electricity, heating, shop rent, council bills, staff, and actually pay to have stock in the shop, you know, that people can audition.

And the fact that the RRP includes VAT....

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I'm firmly of the opinion (as should be obvious from my signature) that, for me actives have many advantages and suit my listening preferences and musical tastes.   I've been around long enough to remember the days when the considered advice from HiFi magazines was buy a Linn LP12 and spend whatever money you had left on whatever amp and speakers the budget permitted.  Never bought into that (I had a very nice AR/Nytech/MA system thanks) as I tend to prefer to plough my own furrow.   I'm certainly not a potential "cult member"  but I do find the whole slurring of AVI owners as being a cult really childish and offensive.  Never heard an AVI product but one thing my current speakers aren't is pretty.  In the near future I'm going to be moving house and WAF is once  again going to become a consideration.  All the anti AVI ranting here (and sad to say WHF forums have over the last couple of years become something of a ranters playground) makes it quite likely I'll be off to Gloucestershire for a listen to the 40's.  

Who knows it might just be the "best loudspeaker for me" and after all isn't that what matters.   

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hoopsontoast wrote:

I think he is mis-reading margins and thinking that the cost you pay and the cost you sell for is good clean profit. How dare you have to pay for electricity, heating, shop rent, council bills, staff, and actually pay to have stock in the shop, you know, that people can audition.

And the fact that the RRP includes VAT....

Hifi shops don't sell many units per day but they still need to make enough profit to stay in business. I think that a 100% markup is reasonable considering they have to pay all the bills that hoops mentions above AND make a profit.

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SunnyCyprus wrote:

  Never heard an AVI product but one thing my current speakers aren't is pretty.  

Who knows it might just be the "best loudspeaker for me" and after all isn't that what matters.   

Pretty isn't a word I'd associate with AVI either!  But like you, I'm intrigued about all the fuss. 

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