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How to combine stereo and surround sound in one AV system

How to combine stereo and surround sound in one AV system
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So you’re lucky enough to have the space, money and marital understanding to set up a surround sound system at home. Fantastic news! But what about that hi-fi system you already own and love? Or what if hi-fi sound is just as important to you as those surround sound movies?

The truth is that, when it comes to two-channel music, even the best AV amplifiers can’t hold a candle to the vast majority of stereo amps. And that's why the general consensus has always been that you need to decide whether your priority is stereo or surround sound, and sacrifice one for better performance with the other.

But there is a way you can have your cake and eat it. It’s not particularly difficult either, though it can be expensive if you’re starting from scratch. Read on for full instructions and a list of the best kit for the job.

What you need

How to combine stereo and surround sound in one AV system

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The principle here is that you have two systems that meet in the middle, but don’t overly impact one another. That means you need two amplifiers; one for surround sound and another for stereo.

The surround amplifier (or receiver) needs to have pre-outs for the front-left and front-right speakers that bypass the unit’s own power amplification and output an analogue signal to the stereo amp. Pre-outs are pretty common on AV amps above £500 (we’ve listed some current models below).

In theory, a system such as this can be set up with any stereo amp that has standard RCA inputs, but ideally you want one that has a dedicated input for the task – one that bypasses the unit’s own volume control and other equaliser functions. On many amps this will be labelled as an AV input, but some also use proprietary names for the feature – ‘Main In’ on Onkyo amps, for example, and ‘Power Amp Direct’ on Pioneers. On Musical Fidelity amps, such as the M2si pictured below, the appropriate input is labelled 'HT'.

Why is this feature useful? By bypassing the stereo amp’s own volume control the AV amp is in complete control of the volume and has more control over sonic character. All volume controls add a small amount of distortion and affect transparency, too, so removing one is almost always a good thing.

If you’re set on using an amp that doesn’t have a dedicated AV input, you can do so by setting the volume control at the same level whenever you want to use it in tandem with your surround amp. That’s a more fiddly and less precise way of doing things, but it works just fine.

Of course, you also need speakers. Here, it makes sense to choose a surround package that includes front-left and front-right speakers with proper hi-fi credentials. There’s no point in going down this route if you’re only intending to use small satellite speakers. We’ve recommended some suitable packages below.

How to set everything up

How to combine stereo and surround sound in one AV system

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Once you’ve got your AV amp and stereo amp, wiring is pretty straightforward. Simply plug your front-left and front-right speakers into the terminals on the stereo amp, and all of the other speakers (centre, sub, surrounds and height speakers, if using) into the relevant terminals on the AV amp. Then use standard analogue interconnects to connect the front-left and front-right pre-outs of the AV amp to the AV input of the stereo amp.

Now you need to calibrate the speakers using the AV amp’s built-in, mic-driven set-up. In most cases, you’ll need to tell the AV amp the speaker configuration you’re using, whether that’s 5.1 or 7.1, or even 7.1.4 (for Dolby Atmos), but with many amps you won’t need to specify that you’re using the pre-outs at all. On some AV receivers, particularly higher-end ones, you’ll find an option called something like “amp assign”. Use this to tell the AV amp that you’re using an external amp to power the front two speakers. Consult the manual if you’re not sure.

Once done, you can begin the automatic speaker calibration as normal, checking that the test sounds are coming out of all speakers as expected, and that there are no error messages that might indicate a mistake in the wiring or amp assignment.

At the end, you should have a perfectly balanced, volume-matched surround sound system, just as you would if all of the speakers were connected directly to the AV receiver. Now connect all video sources (Blu-ray player, Sky, games console, video streamer, etc) to the AV amplifier as normal, and all two-channel music sources (turntable, CD player, music streamer, etc) to the stereo amp.

The benefits

The major benefit here is a big one: because all two-channel sources are connected to the stereo amp, which exclusively powers the front-left and front-right speakers, they completely bypass the surround components. This is pure, unadulterated hi-fi, but you also have a full surround sound system for a properly cinematic experience.

Also, in some cases, by using an external amplifier for two of your speakers, your AV receiver’s own internal amplifiers can be directed to power other speakers, opening up the option for a surround system with more speakers. The Yamaha RX-A3080, for example, has nine built-in amplifiers (plus two subwoofer outputs), which you can deploy in a maximum 7.2.2 configuration. Take responsibility for powering the front-left and front-right speakers away from it, though, and it can use those two ‘spare’ amplifiers to add two further Atmos speakers in a 7.2.4 arrangement. Nice.

The drawbacks

One issue with a system such as this is that while the auto calibration of an AV receiver is designed to balance the volume and tonality of different speakers in a surround package – and will apply the same principle to the speakers being powered by the stereo amp – there are limits to what’s possible and some of the stereo amp’s character is likely to come through. 

This can result in slight sonic inconsistencies between the speakers running through the stereo amp and those that aren’t, which you might notice (particularly across the front three). However, this can be minimised with judicious system matching and, for many, any slight flaw is more than made up for by the purity of the hi-fi experience.

The other drawback is price. Stereo amplifiers with dedicated AV inputs actually start at reasonable prices (Onkyo's A-9130 is just currently just £299, for example), but you’re still talking about paying that on top of the price of an AV receiver. Some may argue that if you’ve got, say, £1500 to spend on an audio system, you should get the best AV receiver or stereo amp you can afford, rather than compromise on both.

But there aren’t many AV amplifiers out there that do a really good job with stereo music. And a two-channel hi-fi obviously can’t do surround sound at all. That’s why this best of both worlds approach is so appealing.

Verdict

How to combine stereo and surround sound in one AV system

If you’ve got the money, appetite and a little bit of patience, building a system that includes both an AV amp and a stereo amp makes all sorts of sense.

Convinced? Below you’ll find a list of current products that offer the necessary features from some of the biggest manufacturers in hi-fi and home cinema. Good luck...

The kit list

AV amplifiers with pre-outs that can be used to connect a stereo amp:

Stereo amps with inputs that bypass volume control:

  • Arcam: SA10, SA20 and SA30
  • Audiolab: 6000A and 8300A
  • Cyrus: All current pre-amps and integrated amps (most affordable integrated is Cyrus One)
  • Denon: PMA-2500NE
  • Marantz: PM8006, PM-KI Ruby, PM-10
  • Moon: Entire current range of amps, which starts with the Moon 240i
  • Musical Fidelity: All current pre-amps and integrated amps (eg. M2si)
  • Naim: All current (and many recent) pre-amps and integrated amps (eg. Nait 5si)
  • Onkyo: A-9130, A-9150
  • Pioneer: A-30, A-40AE, A-50DA, A-70DA
  • Rega: Elicit-R, Aethos, Osiris
  • Roksan: K3

All-in-one music systems with option to bypass volume control:

  • Piet Steyn
    Hi Tom...interesting article. This is an issue that gets more and more important as houses and apartments are getting smaller and not a lot of people can have a dedicated hifi room anymore...so hifi and movies must share the lounge.
    Question I have is.... what about the option of using a processor and outboard power amplifier(s)? Most freestanding AV processors have a pure-direct mode (or similar). One can then use (as an example) a 5 channel power amp for surround duties, paired with a stereo amp of higher quality for front L & R.... achieving similar results? Or not?
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  • HomeFi
    Thanks very much for this article. I've read it with interest because I'd like to upgrade my home theater equipment. I have a Yamaha 2005 AVR that's bottom end and an old receiver with a 200watt amp that I could bridge to. The receiver still sounds excellent to my aging ears (a Carver). I'd like to be able to build out a 5.4 Atmos configuration. The Yamaha is too old if I'm not mistaken so I'm thinking of buying a 7.1 AVR and bridging to the Carver to drive the main front speakers and to free up two amps in the new AVR to achieve the .4. I'm not confidant of being able to do this with say a Marantz 5014 even though it has pre outs. Is it possible to give more specific details like photos of setups and menu screens that would make this configuration possible? I'd like to save some money and buy a 7.1 AVR instead of a 9.1 and have money left over for new speakers, a streamer, etc.
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  • ryhaigh
    Thank you for writing on this. I have a related issue that I was hoping someone could give me some insight on.

    The good news is my system is 2.0 but you will see the concepts in this article are still on point.

    My primary audio setup in one room is my PC server to Arcam IrDAC to Arcam FMJ A19 integrated audio amplifier to 2 KEF LS50s (2.0 only)

    Recently we have had to consolidate space and I am now trying to combine AVR and Audio into one media setup.

    I have a Marantz NR1609 Integrated that I use for AVR (which also has the pre-outs like those mentioned in the article)

    My plan is to run all AV sources into the Marantz, set it on pure direct, and then send audio via the Pre-out to the A19 and then to the speakers for all audio (AV and my original music purposes).

    Obviously, I will be bypassing the Amp stage of the Marantz, but my concern is getting another Preamp stage that I don't need from the A19, as the A19 does not have fixed audio for the AV input like those in the article.

    My general concern is adding more noise to the signal when playing content originating from the AVR. Any way to bypass the A19 preamp in this context.

    Soo.. 2 questions:
    1) How should I balance the volume between amplifiers? (ie. keep one fixed and use other to change listening volume etc)
    2) Assuming I am inserted additional noise in the chain, in terms of sound quality, am I better off running all video signals through the Marantz AVR and then just using RCA connectors for audio from each device directly to the Arcam Stereo Amp? (Note: I guess I will also have to change TV from toslink to RCA with an adapter as it doesn't have RCA out)

    Thanks in advance!
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