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RE: Okki Nokki – Am I expecting too much?

progwardy, I'm surprised I missed this thread when you made your original post.

I've been using the original Okki Nokki exclusively with L'Art du Son for 8 years now so I feel I can be some assistance. I am in regular contact with Martina Schoener who developed L'Art du Son. To answer your questions:

1. Best fluid - L'Art du Son. Personally I don't think anything comes close.

2. Cleaning is mostly chemical but mechanical action is needed to losen the bonds between the record surface and dirt

3. Strongly recommend the Disc Doctor Miracle Record Brushes. The original ones with the Okki Nokki are rubbish and these are the best I've found: http://discdoc.com/

4. I would steer clear of anti-static treatments. I always store my cleaned records in a Nagaoka No. 102 anti-static sleeve and use a Zerostat gun.

5. Have you been using a rinse stage in your cleaning process? It makes alot of difference.Something I came across was steam cleaning. Thought it sounded like a crazy idea but it actually works especially with very dirty records. Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6OjtKUZ048

Hope this helps?

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RE: Okki Nokki – Am I expecting too much?

Thank you for this.

I've tried the L'Art du Son and various homebrew - all with good effect.

I changed the brushes straightaway - I will have a look at these as well.

My 'Zerostat' experience has not been good - one went back and the replacement seems equally ineffective. I have tried a Bib 'Groov-stat' which seems to be a lot better.

Yes-  a rinse stage made a big difference.

There are still 'failures' in the cleaning process, but this is down to poor records - either the pressing or being uncared for and I am now a lot fussier (unless they are really cheap) as to what second hand vinyl I purchase.

In short I would encourage those who are getting frustrated in finding an effective cleaning regime to consider the purchase of an Okki Nokki or similar. There are some deals to be had in ex-demonstration or they do come up on classified hi-fi forums from time to time.

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RE: Re: Okki Nokki - Am I expecting too much?

The_Lhc wrote:

I then played a couple of Shakatak LPs which sounded very poppy

Well what did you expect? Wink

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RE: Re: Okki Nokki - Am I expecting too much?

Petherick wrote:

The_Lhc wrote:

I then played a couple of Shakatak LPs which sounded very poppy

Well what did you expect? Wink

Bit more funk?

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RE: Okki Nokki – Am I expecting too much?

I bought some Groove-stat a while ago but never tried. I don't generally like treatments which aren't permanent and need to be renewed. I also heard that it may be harmful to your stylus but I'm not sure if this is true.

I would really recommend you try steam cleaning for troublesome records.

Yes sadly vinyl mastering and pressing is nearly a lost art. Alot of people are trying to cash in on the vinyl revival. There are very few places capable of all analogue mastering. Abbey Road and Sterling Sound in New York are most notable. The result is alot poor quality new vinyl. I've had problems even with so called audiophile grade 180gsm vinyl.

progwardy wrote:

Thank you for this.

I've tried the L'Art du Son and various homebrew - all with good effect.

I changed the brushes straightaway - I will have a look at these as well.

My 'Zerostat' experience has not been good - one went back and the replacement seems equally ineffective. I have tried a Bib 'Groov-stat' which seems to be a lot better.

Yes-  a rinse stage made a big difference.

There are still 'failures' in the cleaning process, but this is down to poor records - either the pressing or being uncared for and I am now a lot fussier (unless they are really cheap) as to what second hand vinyl I purchase.

In short I would encourage those who are getting frustrated in finding an effective cleaning regime to consider the purchase of an Okki Nokki or similar. There are some deals to be had in ex-demonstration or they do come up on classified hi-fi forums from time to time.

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RE: Steam Cleaning

DistortedVision - thanks.

Loved the 'urrr analogue err record person' video! Do you have a recommended make of steam cleaner that does the job?

Have tried everything else why not this? Several forums have threads and much is very positive. The only concern would be warping / label soaking - but if it's a dog to start with there's not a huge amount to lose.

Kevin.

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