i really wanted to love the CD, but sorry its too shouty!
its not my room or kit....... a lot of my CDS sound amazing - eg Kate Bush, Hounds of Love
Thats exactly what I thought- when the CD arrived I was initially going to send it back - I thought it there was something wrong with it - I went and tested soemone else copy againt it - but there wasnt
- new kit, system in sig - room treatment and Grahams slees and even the most shouty one on there "Rumour has it" - is not shouty anymore - its still on the edge as intended but as I say composed - I am going to test it again tomorrow as not listened for ages but I already know whats its going to be like.
Some of the songs you cringe at when they come on are actually quite good - I always thought it was terrible - but other factors were letting the music down - noit just saying it to be an ass.
Its the same reason why people say Cyrus is bright - its not its just detailed and bad room acoustics make it sound bright - leanrt that one in WHF test room itself
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I see your point but if it sounds rubbish on average hifi equipment and in an average living room which isn't accoustically treated, then to all intents and purposes, it *is* rubbish.
Main system: Mac Mini 2011 • HRT II+ DAC • Marantz CD 63 mkII KI & PM66 KI • MS 10i speakers [borrowed]
In storage: Thorens TD160 (no cart) • Cyrus 2 & PSX • Cyrus tuner • Technics SL-P777 • Nakamichi DR-1
what point are you refering too?
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Sorry I should have quoted to make myself clearer. I was referring to the view-point that if it sounds ok on first class equipment in a well-treated room, then don't blame the recording. My view is that if a recording only sounds good in those conditions, then it's worse than useless. A great recording should sound great no matter where you play it and what you play it on. Well, within reason. Many recordings do. That's supposedly part of the art of good mixing and mastering.
Yep I see, IMHO red book CD of Adele 21 is average! Well mastered CDs sound great on my Rega so I know it's my set up!
I am listening to the album now and it sounds excellent. It's raw but that's it design. Its layered really well
it will sound good on most systems but bear in mind it's demanding music - therefore lots of factors come in - kit timing, room acoustics, speaker cables and interconnects.
if your hearing harshness / brightness then it's likely some or all of the factors above.
Adelle is the biggest artist in the country and the knew the album would sell so that had the ££ to go in a good studio with a controlled sound.
Maybe they had the headphone brigade in mind - but not with bad sound quality more with headphones where acoustics are 95% null and void.
Now I have my system and room as is I get no harshness at all with this album or 99% of albums for that matter.
if you love your hifi then I can't recommend some basic room treatment for improving what you hear - or letting you actually properly hear what's there.
£££££ on kit nothing on the room is generally a mistake.
also I can't recommend Graham Slee cables enough, Cusat and Spatia - for the money you will not find anything that touches them. Especially the Cusat 50 for the money is amazing!!
you can get free home demo as well
I have read a bit about the Soatia cable I understand its made specially to order, so if you don't think the price justifies the improvement can you send it back for refund?
akso read somewhere that some people rate it higher over the chord Odyssey 2
It dosent quite work like that - they have loan sets that they ship to you for a period of 2 weeks.
You then test them, ship them back and and include the postage cost to get them to you in the first place - £7 cash. That goes to the sender who is called Jon, he doesnt work for the company so its his personal money you are replacing.
This way you get a run in set as well - mine have kept getting better over a period of about 2 months now.
You then order if you want them - dont if you dont.
I had Odyssey 2 before Spatia and Epic - Tried them against the Odyssey and there is no comparison. Its magic cable it really is - supposed to be as good as Telerium Q Black which is approx £100 more - that was brand new not run in as well so it might be better? I have not tested it against TQB, it was Jon who sends the loan cables out that told me - as he has TQB.
I would also try the Cusat 50 - to me its a reference quality interconnect for about £140 - it was so amazed by how good the cable was and how it made my system sound that I was immediately interested in testing the Spatia when it came out. I was the first Joe Bloggs tester - not involved with the company. I thought if it speaker cable sounds like the Cusat they will get my money and I wasnt dissapointed, and have never once regretted my purchase. In fact I am looking to buy 3 more cusat 50 single runs as digital cables to link my HD621 to G61R processor.
Prior to the Cusat 50 I had Chord Signature and Cadenza. The Sig would probably sound good in my system now - it was too good for my system then, however I still dont think it would be better, and if so certainly not by the extra £350 cost.
The Cadenza great interconnect but not a patch on the Cusat 50 at its £60 more.
Hope that helps you - sorry to waffle on
thanks for that I have registered on the web site just waiting for a log in so I can contact Jon to et a loan set of Spatia & Cusat 50, will he let me have both?
I borrowed both at once - I had posted on the forum several times before I got them on loan , I dont know if that makes any difference.
I had the Cusat 50's first and then the spatia after - but both at home at the same time. I am waiting to borrow some spatia again - to test them as digital cables against way came free with one piece of my Meridian Kit for a slightly different to normal use - wont bore you with it
I have already done the test for music - I had the Meridian blue cable in all of five minutes music streamer to processor - put the Cusat in and that was it - I was sold on them for digital cables as well.
However if we are in the cue - I will mention to Jon that you want to borrow and you can go above me.
I am assuming your name is Steve Brock?
Yes Steve Brock, how did you guess?
just had my log in through so will set it up later!
If what you say us true about how good these cables sound then maybe Adele on red book cd will sound great!
I was in the market for some Odyssey 2, but this Spatia is really intriguing me so gonna have a good listen to it to see if my Rega kit gels with it!
I demoed my rega brio, DAC and RS1 with Odyssey 2 & chameleon cables in the shop and I sounded lovely
i thought Odyssey was the perfect speaker cable for me, I have loved chord cables for years and had pretty much all chord.
i planned on getting all chord cadenza to link my pro to power but thought I would try the Cusat 50 just to make sure and it wowd me within about 2 minutes a couple of songs
i honestly didn't expect it to be better than the cadenza because of the price so I was very pleasantly surprised.
i took the cusat a to my cousin to try them on his system and the same thing happened - you will hopefully hear the same.
Can you please contact Jon @ Graham Slee about returning the cables you have on loan - they need them back please.
Can you please contact him via the GSP Forum to arrange return
Jon has messaged me again on the GSP Forum asking me to post on here again that he still has not received the cables back from you.
Can you let me know whats going on so I can tell Jon??
They send kit to people for home demo out of the goodness and if people abuse that system they will stop and that makes things worse for everyone for the future. Apparently you promised to return them 2 weeks ago!
Thats how good those cables are - I told you ! Now can you please get back to me so I can tell Jon what you say
Thanks very much
Ok, my first post state that the only album with good SQ was "Live At Albert Hall" and i'll keep my state!
Today arrived one order from ebay i've bought "Songbird" from Eva Cassidy, a 180g vinyl Audiophille pressed for 32£, it shines in my system! And from the same seller ( to leverage shipping cost) i've won the auction on Adele 21, vinyl for £8.60.
My dear god! Adele 21 vinyl press is completely FLAT, with no real dynamics, it seem that i'm listening to a 128kbs MP3 file!
I've compared to the Flac file that i've bought on line on my SBT and the vinyl record, with the volume knob at 10 oclock.
The digital format has more bass response, but is to "shouty", yes it IS!
The vinyl record can be hardly heard at 10 oclock, compared to the digital format, but i can live with that, but the one thing i can't live is the poor remastering work on bouth albums!
19 is a better remastered album that 21...
So, i'm sticking with my first statement about Live At Albert Hall album being the best of all Adele Albums!
All the best.
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