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PMC Twenty.21 vs Sonus Faber Venere 1.5

I've spent the weekend enjoying a home demo of speakers for my (small) study. The speakers have to sit up against a wall in a bookshelf, so I've confined myself to front-ported speakers. (Hence no KEF LS50s.) 

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RE: PMC Twenty.21 vs Sonus Faber Venere 1.5

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Oops, apologies, hit the wrong button.

Anyway, two lovely pairs of boxes. The PMCs are hugely revealing, with very sweet treble and mid-range. Acoustic instruments come over beautifully. But the Sonus Fabers are a revelation. Revealing, yes, but far more 'realistic' than the PMCs, in the sense that they offer deep bass extension and an overall timbre that's supremely relaxing. Listening to Alfred Brendel's Phillips recording of Haydn's piano sonatas, they Sonus Fabers did a wonderful impression of bringing a grand piano into the room (which would, frankly, be rather awkward given the size of my study).

Has anyone else auditioned these speakers?

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RE: PMC Twenty.21 vs Sonus Faber Venere 1.5

Not yet, but I am hoping to soon.  As you can see from my sig I already own Sfs, so acknowledge a bias.  However, I did enjoy the little PMCs at the Bristol show, but they are quite 'explicit' which I guess may not suit all tastes/rooms/systems.

The Venere are only so cheap because they are assembled in China.  As you've heard them at home, why hesitate? Get them and save some money, and before they go up again!  I think they already increased to £949 from £899 but am not 100% sure. 

Good luck!   

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RE: PMC Twenty.21 vs Sonus Faber Venere 1.5

Venere 1.5s are made in China and are incredibly dull sounding. The PMCs are so much more detailed and punchier, so get the PMCs. Also, they are made in England and look way better than the cheap plastic Veneres. Can't believe Sonus Faber is being manufactured in China.

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RE: PMC Twenty.21 vs Sonus Faber Venere 1.5

I had a brief demo with the Twenty 22s, they were very revealing in the top end but I did like them, the only answer I can away with though was that I needed much more time with them as the presentation was quite alien to me, I think you need to settle in to their sound before you can really start to judge them.

 

I could see myself buying the 22s at some point but want to compare with so others speakers of various type at a similar price point. The only negative I got from them (which could be a deal breaker) was that the midrange seems slightly detached from the rest of the sound somehow, I wasn't sure if it was the room or perhaps the transmission line, like I said I need to hear these again and ideally at home.

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Venere 1.5s are made in China and are incredibly dull sounding. The PMCs are so much more detailed and punchier, so get the PMCs. Also, they are made in England and look way better than the cheap plastic Veneres. Can't believe Sonus Faber is being manufactured in China.

Funnily enough I came to the opposite conclusion. I agree that the PMCs are more revealing and have a particularly sweet treble and upper mid range. The Sonus Fabers seemed to me less revealing but more realistic. By that I mean they gave a better impression of what music sounds like across the frequency spectrum. In other words, the bass goes far deeper. I also found them delightfully smooth and relaxing to listen to, whereas the PMCs threatened to sound slightly tiring -- at the end of my system, it must be said. As for the Sonus Fabers being made in China, yes, I'd rather buy UK-made gear, but in this case I can't justify it.

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RE: PMC Twenty.21 vs Sonus Faber Venere 1.5

I do like the idea of premium brands made well in England but there also seems to be some slightly unfair views on Chinese manufacturing. Yes China do make some incredibly cheap and nasty products but they are also excellent at producing goods of quality at various price points.

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RE: PMC Twenty.21 vs Sonus Faber Venere 1.5

Since most kit (especially speakers) can sound good /bad / indifferent, depending where and how they are set up, only someone very familiar with the product can describe it accurately.

Always trust your instincts, and go with what you like the sound of. If a product is verging on being tiring over  demo, it will only get worse over the period of ownership.

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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RE: PMC Twenty.21 vs Sonus Faber Venere 1.5

CnoEvil wrote:

Always trust your instincts, and go with what you like the sound of...

This has always been my sentiments (generally ignored). Not only will it sound 'right' but gut feeling tells you it would fit into a particular system.

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CnoEvil wrote:

Since most kit (especially speakers) can sound good /bad / indifferent, depending where and how they are set up, only someone very familiar with the product can describe it accurately.

Always trust your instincts, and go with what you like the sound of. If a product is verging on being tiring over  demo, it will only get worse over the period of ownership.

Both of those thoughts were indeed in my mind. One of the things I've learned from this and other fora (thanks, everyone!) is that for speakers in particular there's no substitute for a home demo over an extended period (OK, just a weekend in this case, but my wife, who didn't see much of me for the last couple of days, evidently thought it was pretty extended). Issues of placing, room size and so on are crucial for speakers.

It's also good advice to follow your instincts, though it isn't necessarily easy, and of course instincts have to turn into reflection: it's always a good idea to try and verbalize those instincts.

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