The spirit of the beahiviour?
Consulting Editor, What Hi-Fi? Sound and Vision/whathifi.com Audio Editor, Gramophone
So do not get too hung up on figures, they measure only bits of the sounds we sense.
Measurements often explain why things are/sound the way they do. To understand some of it is simply widening knowledge. How you use your findings is another matter but to simply ignore the only thing that is not subjective is a little foolish.
Pretty ... and pretty proud of it
All this active-aggressive beahiviour is getting very tiresome.
I'm more of a passive-aggressive but can see where the active may come in handy ...
I haven't intended any aggression, passive or otherwise. Apologies if anything came over that way.
It didn't. No idea where he got that from.
To add to Cno's quote, it is a trait in modern life to consider relevant only criteria which can be measured and given a number.
We can measure far more than we can hear. The difference is that measuring equipment isn't biased as we are with any expectation.
Thanks Craig, that's the article I was thinking of.
One point I think is important, I believe accurate kit is pleasing kit. The idea that it isn't I find very strange.
System here http://www.whathifi.com/forum/your-system/my-dream-system-oh-maybe-one-day
Nothing will change.
David @Frank Harvey Hi-Fi, Coventry
Mitsubishi HC7000 / Oppo BDP103 / Audiolab 8200AP / Rotel RMB1575 / kick ass speaker system
I prefer the quote from Nelson Pass - "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgement. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers are for those who do not."
These two quotes nicely highlight the two diverging opinions, as to what is most important when buying a hifi system.....and there is no right or wrong, only what brings maximum joy to the owner.
that quote is so wrong imo! It is completely upside down and mixed up! Imo.
I'm liking that. It doesn't mean I'm going to adopt it and live my life by it, but I like it
Very hard to achieve in standard audio. Very hard to achieve in passive or active systems too. You might get close, but recreating the "as is"? Nope. Hence why many folk go for "pleasing" and whatever version of "pleasing" you think that is.
Hard for turntables and speakers, especially passive ones.. I'd suggest we're there, or thereabouts for digital transports, streamers, DACs, SS Pre and power amps, oh yeah, nearly forgot cables in that list!
Ash's to Ash's, so to speak
Quite normal that on a subject like this, active vs passive or the issue of topology will come into play if you ask me. Its all audio.
Perhaps hobby botanica is more peaceful? Mind you, there are probably some prickly issues too ...
And disagree. Again.
Onkyo TX-8050 / Tannoy Revolution DC4 / Marantz SA7001-KI / Apple TV 3 / Sony PS3 320Gb / Denon DVD-3930
......and that is precisely why the two camps will never agree, or manage to change the mind of those with a different perspective.
There is no sense in buying a system just because it's (supposed to be) "accurate", if you hate the way it sounds, because it won't be listened to.....so logically, pleasure from the music is all that matters and the driving force behind any choice.
If that happens to be a system that (you believe) is as neutral, accurate and transparent as possible - great.....but even that is likely to have a subjective element to it.
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Reminds me of religion
(no offence to anyone who is religious, of course)
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