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Accuphase E-360 or E-260
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Hello,

 

I've been on the hunt for a new amplifier to power a pair of Dynaudio Focus 260 floor standing speakers that I currently have (and enjoy A LOT!). I went to look at a few and for the first time encountered Accuphase. It was hard for me to ignore how much I liked it. Had opportunity to take home a E260 to try and it sounded really great. When returning the 260 I listened and compared to the E360. There was some difference for sure. Audiable but not make or break difference. 

 

I am torn between the two.  At 5000 euro I know I am getting a great amp with the E260 regardless. The E360 is 1500 euro more expensive and it would be a hard push financially.  I can't see if I will later regret not getting the slightly bigger amp (give more options later in life.. ?). I am not climbing the hifi ladder, I hope!, and I assume that this will be a final investment for at least 15 to 20 years. 

 

There does not seem to be a lot of information or comparisons on the two online. People generally seem to agree they are great amps, though overpriced. I agree.  I also listened to a Bladelius Thor that I liked... but not as much as the Accuphase. 

 

Thoughts on the E360  vs  E260?  Should I just ignore the internal greed and settle for the E260 "knowing" that its a great amp regardless?? 

 

Rest of chain is Dynavector 10x5 > Rega P3/24 > Lehmann Black Cube >   ?   >Dynaudio Focus 260. 

 

I appreciate any input or opinions shared!

Thanks!

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

hifidivided wrote:

Hello,

 

I've been on the hunt for a new amplifier to power a pair of Dynaudio Focus 260 floor standing speakers that I currently have (and enjoy A LOT!). I went to look at a few and for the first time encountered Accuphase. It was hard for me to ignore how much I liked it. Had opportunity to take home a E260 to try and it sounded really great. When returning the 260 I listened and compared to the E360. There was some difference for sure. Audiable but not make or break difference. 

 

I am torn between the two.  At 5000 euro I know I am getting a great amp with the E260 regardless. The E360 is 1500 euro more expensive and it would be a hard push financially.  I can't see if I will later regret not getting the slightly bigger amp (give more options later in life.. ?). I am not climbing the hifi ladder, I hope!, and I assume that this will be a final investment for at least 15 to 20 years. 

 

There does not seem to be a lot of information or comparisons on the two online. People generally seem to agree they are great amps, though overpriced. I agree.  I also listened to a Bladelius Thor that I liked... but not as much as the Accuphase. 

 

Thoughts on the E360  vs  E260?  Should I just ignore the internal greed and settle for the E260 "knowing" that its a great amp regardless?? 

 

Rest of chain is Dynavector 10x5 > Rega P3/24 > Lehmann Black Cube >   ?   >Dynaudio Focus 260. 

 

I appreciate any input or opinions shared!

Thanks!

Hi and welcome,

If you can afford it, go for the E360... will give you more scope, if at any time in future you want to change the speakers.

They are fantastic amps and I'm sure you would be happy with either model.

Mac

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

If you like Accuphase, you should also check out Luxman and Musical Fidelity AMS 35i......they are all brilliant.

If you can't hear €1500 worth of difference, go with the cheaper amp, as long as it drives your speakers properly.

Mac and Matt may give further insight.

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

I agree with Cno: at this budget, it might be worth broadening your horizon.

And indeed, if the difference between the two amps is marginal to your ears, then €1500 is a heap of money. Not sure if future proofing would be worth that. I assume there's lots and lots of speakers that can be properly driven by the E-260...

Would you consider going second hand for an amp higher up the Accu ladder? Mac seems to like his E-350 to bits...

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

I'd say whichever Accuphase you go for, there probably won't be much reason to ever change amp again!

I agree with the suggestion to try Luxmann as well.  Wonderful amplifiers.

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

Thanks for the replies so far!

 

Part of the charm of an accuphase is that you buy, get a great item and not much will make you feel like spending loads of cash unless it really competes.   In  the 5000 euro price range... whay Luxman should I consider?

 

Also worth noting that we don't have TV or radio.. so the amp will only use one record player and thats it. It will never be considred for HT or digital to analog stuff.  Its old fashioned here... record player into preamp into amplifier into speakers.  Thanks!

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DocG  >  I am not very technically minded and buying a new product gives me a few years warrnty. In my limited exposure to hifi I found that if things are gonna go wrong they tend to do so in the first few years of heavy use. I might be narrow minded but so far that seems to be the story. I'd rather buy new and have some years of parts faulting guarantee. 

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

All other makes mentioned are excellent amps, but certainly MF AMS35I being Class A has a different SQ

and one you might prefer, but for me, the Accuphase would be better value with a great headphone stage, tone controls and it doesn't run hot. 

 I think Luxman at similar price point 550 590 are Class A do have tone controls and headphone stage, but again, run very hot... if that's not a problem for you, go ahead and try them

The other downside to Class A, you have to watch the electricity bill!

Having previously owned a Sugden Masterclass IA-4 Class A amp, I am speaking from experience.

If you can find a second hand or ex demo Accuphase I'm sure you would be extremely happy, particularly saving a chunk of wonga

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Keep us posted how you get on.

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

hifidivided wrote:

Part of the charm of an accuphase is that you buy, get a great item and not much will make you feel like spending loads of cash unless it really competes.   In  the 5000 euro price range... whay Luxman should I consider?

Luxman

L505u (100W ) £3295

L550A 11 (20W Class A)  £3595

L507u (110W) £4795

L590 11 (£30W Class A) £6495

The Sugden Masterclass IA-4 is also worth sniffing out (£4135)

 

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

Hello Hifidivided,

Welcome to the fun.

I'm sure either of the Accuphase amps will give you a huge amount of pleasure for many years to come: a very sound investment (excuse the pun). Ultimately the choice comes down to how much grunt you're going to need. Is your room large? Do you play loud? I don't know the Dynaudio 260s, but the specs suggest they shouldn't be too hard to drive. So on paper the Accuphase E-260 may well be all you need. And the money you save against the E-360 might go towards a future upgrade of your source.

As far as alternatives are concerned, I'd recommend a demo of the Devialet 110 (EUR4990) or 170 (EUR6990). (I've ordered the Dev 170.) The sonic character of the Devialets is quite similar to the Accuphases and the amps suggested by Cno, but in my opinion the Devialets are just a bit more transparent and have more real-world power. But that's just my opinion.

A tough decision, but you are on a very rewarding path!

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As far as alternatives are concerned, I'd recommend a demo of the Devialet 110 (EUR4990) or 170 (EUR6990). (I've ordered the Dev 170.) The sonic character of the Devialets is quite similar to the Accuphases and the amps suggested by Cno, but in my opinion the Devialets are just a bit more transparent and have more real-world power. But that's just my opinion.

The Devialets are gorgeous! Not sure they are first choice for a turntable-only system, though, with the analogue - digital - analogue conversion it does. And there's a lot in the amp, the OP won't need. If he is willing to give it a try, I wouldn't consider the 110 anyway, as it has an inferior ADC...

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Yeah, I have to say I would never want my turntable to go through any kind of digital stage, which would definitely put me off the Devialets if in he OP's position.

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RE: Accuphase E-360 or E-260

Wasn't the question ... Accuphase E-3.. or E-2... rather than Devialet, Musical Fidelity ... ? Smile

 

£1500 quid difference over 20 odd years is around £70 a year, £6 a month and a bargain £0.20 a week.

 

Go treat yourself and go with the big mamma.

 

Happy sunday my little lambs x

 

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My gut feeling says to rule out the class A section if it 'actually' makes a noticable difference to the electricity bills. And the heat factor does not sound like my thing either.  The amp will be on and used for a few hours every single day. 95% of the time its low volume (which is why I bought those speakers) and the room is fairly small. Listening position around 2 or 2.5 meters something like that. So volume and power is not really the issue.

 

I'll have a look for Devialet and see if I can listen to one. Never hurts to explore the options!

 

But so far nobody is really objecting to the E260, which is nice! Of course if I had the extra cash the E360 would be better but maybe I can put the greed away and settle for the 260. 

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But so far nobody is really objecting to the E260, which is nice! Of course if I had the extra cash the E360 would be better but maybe I can put the greed away and settle for the 260. 

 

 

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drummerman wrote:

Wasn't the question ... Accuphase E-3.. or E-2... rather than Devialet, Musical Fidelity ... ? Smile

Opening new horizons, Mr. D.    >)

So many possibilities, so little time!

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