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Holy mackerel! Devialet are trickling down!
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I accidentally stumbled into the Devialet website tonight. There happens to be some news to be had there. The D Premier is rebranded Devialet 240, and is now accompanied by two smaller siblings, the 110 and 170 (the figure refers to the wattage into 6 Ohm of each amp).

The new range still incorporates the AIR wireless streamer and a host of digital and analogue inputs but now also sports a RJ45 and USB port (something Devialet's Thierry Massoubre renounced in an e-mail just 6 months ago). All digital data (also the SPDIF) are synched to the master clock (Bye bye jitter! Hi there, cheap BDP!).

The streamer (a paid option for the 110 and 170) now also handles the likes of Spotify, Deezer, YouTube and what have you. And better news still: this AIR option is available at 1 EUR until the end of September (that might be 1 £ for the UK), instead of the normal 1000 EUR.

There's apps for iOS and Android too now.

And in the foreseeable future, a room correction protocol will be included in the DSP engine.

I think I'll arrange a demo in the near future!  Dance 4

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I've heard great things about the brand, so will be intrigued with what you think.

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I had a chance to listen to the D-Premier once on the end of Wilson Audio Sashas. I must say the "mirror" looks stunning in situ. But this is about all good I can say about the combo... however, there's a very favorable review on Stereophile. maybe you'd find it to your liking too. however, you be warned this amp will reduce your speaker pool considerably. it doesn't like impedance dips below 4 Ohms.

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I wasn't convinced at all when I heard it. Thought it was a bit thin...

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I haven't seen you around for a while JD! Nice to see you back. Smile

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Good Find!

It looks 170 has the right sweet spot from the detailed specs as well as price point! One day this and Vivid Audio G3 (may be G4 by then Wink ) !!!

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When I personally heard the D Premier, I was blown away by sheer transparency of it.

Though I did prefer a Naim separates approach, but then again, the Devialet was shockingly close... I personally think these new adds might be even better! 

Looks like Hi Fi has just got its Apple Inc.!

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bigboss wrote:

I haven't seen you around for a while JD! Nice to see you back. Smile

Hello BB :wave:

Yes, been a bit busy building this but has calmed down a bit now.

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John Duncan wrote:

bigboss wrote:

I haven't seen you around for a while JD! Nice to see you back. Smile

Hello BB :wave: Yes, been a bit busy building this but has calmed down a bit now.

Looks a lot more fruitful than being on here!.......though saying that, your absence was noticed and presence was missed.  :grin:

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John Duncan wrote:

bigboss wrote:

I haven't seen you around for a while JD! Nice to see you back. Smile

Hello BB :wave: Yes, been a bit busy building this but has calmed down a bit now.

Looks very nice! Clean and easy to navigate! Did they give you Eurostar tickets for the family with a weekend stay in Paris, on top of the fees? They should...

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No, it's not like being at WHF where you get free stuff all the time... Smile

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oldric_naubhoff wrote:

However, you be warned this amp will reduce your speaker pool considerably. it doesn't like impedance dips below 4 Ohms.

Hi Oldric, I take it you hint to JA's conclusion in the measurement section of his review: "Other than its slightly anomalous behavior via WiFi, the Devialet D-Premier's measured performance is a testament to what can be obtained with switching-amplifier technology. However, sustained high-power operation into speakers with an impedance of 4 ohms or below is best avoided."

On the Devialet website on the other hand, it says: "Compatible with any 2 to 8Ω speaker". Is that quote not backed-up by the facts? Or is it just the really low impedances that it doesn't like? It won't match ESLs, that I understand. But Devialet confirmed me their amps can drive Magnepans.

Could you comment? (BTW, feel free to comment on the whole measurement section of the review; it's all Chinese to me...)

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WishTree wrote:

Good Find!

It looks 170 has the right sweet spot from the detailed specs as well as price point! One day this and Vivid Audio G3 (may be G4 by then Wink ) !!!

Hi WishTree,

Yeah, frankly I never dared to have a listen (though the dealer is at walking distance from my work), afraid I might have liked it - the D Premier is just too expensive to my standards. But with the trickle-down models, I'm tempted...

Changing subject, are you still happy with the Stradas? I'm anxious to hear a pair, but there is just no demo anywhere near (I mean not less than 240 km from where I live...).

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DocG wrote:

oldric_naubhoff wrote:

However, you be warned this amp will reduce your speaker pool considerably. it doesn't like impedance dips below 4 Ohms.

Hi Oldric, I take it you hint to JA's conclusion in the measurement section of his review: "Other than its slightly anomalous behavior via WiFi, the Devialet D-Premier's measured performance is a testament to what can be obtained with switching-amplifier technology. However, sustained high-power operation into speakers with an impedance of 4 ohms or below is best avoided."

yes.

DocG wrote:

On the Devialet website on the other hand, it says: "Compatible with any 2 to 8Ω speaker". Is that quote not backed-up by the facts? Or is it just the really low impedances that it doesn't like? It won't match ESLs, that I understand. But Devialet confirmed me their amps can drive Magnepans.

I'm afraid so. there's a very interesting entry in the comments section below the review:

After some very good 1st impressions on sound quality driving "conventional" speakers (impedance curve not bellow 2-3 Ohm) I was curious to audition the D-Premier with my Martin Logan Summit X speakers. Sound quality is very good, until I pumped up the volume. At about 85db, the protection LED on the front panel starts blinking and the amp starts to mute.

I have reported this problem to Devialet and they say it should not happen, but my dealer had the same experience with other D-Premier units driving other Martin Logan models (Montis, Spire, CLX).

My guess is that this amp technology is simply not designed to drive impedance loads like the ones present in Martin Logan speakers, which drop bellow 1 Ohm in the high frequencies.

therefore I would rule out ESLs but lower range Magnepans shouldn't be a problem. however, I would be caucious with higher range Magnepans again as they are a resistive (meaning steady) 3.5 Ohm load above 4k Hz...

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Could you comment? (BTW, feel free to comment on the whole measurement section of the review; it's all Chinese to me...)

the measurements look OK. I can't really fault them with two exceptions:

1. THD vs power: note how high THD reaches at low powers. 100mW should translate to some 70dB in room which will sound already loud. expect even higher THD figures for lower volume levels.

2. those THD graphs would suggest the amp uses very high levels of global negative feedback loop to lower THD figures (and gain other advantages). I never fully trust such designs. the measurements are taken when amp is driving a steady sinewave. but music is anything but steady sinewave. if the NFB loop has to be effective at what it does you need a "fast" circuitry or the output will not be compared to input. I can't tell if Devialet has such a fast circuitry. I'd personally trust a circuitry which is linear without resorting to high levels of NFB to measure well. I believe such is a good design philosophy.

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Thanks, Oldric. I'll keep that in mind when auditioning!

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