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I have had a couple of demos recently and currently my choice is this. Replace my broken CD player with something like an Audiolab 8200 to go with my B&W 685's and RA-05 or replace the amp as well at the same time and upgrade the system and the speakers at a later date. I tried the Naim CD5si and Naim NAIT 5si combination with tannoy floorstanders and liked it. The important demo is on Saturday as my wife is coming with me. Someone has suggested trying the Musical Fidelity M3 combo as well. Now David at Frank Harvey already has three sets of speakers to lug around on Saturday along with two amps and CD players so i can compare both options and i know that i cant try everything at this price base but in your esteemed opinions is it worth listening to the MF products as well? How will it sound sonically different from the Naim? We listen to classical, rock pop etc and we like a good driving sound that is entertaining.

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It is always worth listening to different products.

Naim is more upfront, exciting and "foot-tappy"......some might say brash.

MF is smoother and a little more refined, but a little less lively.

They are different enough, that you are likely to prefer one presentation or the other.

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I certainly tapped my foot when i did hear the naim. Would you say sonically that the MF is like the roksan Kandy? That i didnt like at all.

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I certainly tapped my foot when i did hear the naim. Would you say sonically that the MF is like the roksan Kandy? That i didnt like at all.

I haven't heard the Kandy in a while, but I'd say (from memory) that it was bolder sounding than the MF.....remember, a change of speakers can turn what you think, on its head.

I'm trying to keep my preferences out of your decision.....not always easy.  Smile

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I agree with Cno here.. I used to have a Naim set up (cdx2/202/250.2/hicap/napsc). If you want something "snappy, foot tapping" fast and tuneful..Naim is the way to go. BUT for overall musicality with any genre for long period listening without fatigue and more pleasing, Try MF, but that does'nt mean it will work with any speakers. IMO MF is not suitable with too warm or laidback sounding speakers. YMMV:)

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Naim amplification can be in ya face with the wrong speakers, but with the right set-up Naim is not fatiguing. From personal experience MF is warm and wooly sounding. Possibly the worst hi-fi experience I had.

Can have a agile, emotive sound without fatigue.

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Naim amplification can be in ya face with the wrong speakers, but with the right set-up Naim is not fatiguing. From personal experience MF is warm and wooly sounding. Possibly the worst hi-fi experience I had.

Can have a agile, emotive sound without fatigue.

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 That's the same reason why Im keeping my speakers:grin: .Synergy:dance:

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Naim amplification can be in ya face with the wrong speakers, but with the right set-up Naim is not fatiguing. From personal experience MF is warm and wooly sounding. Possibly the worst hi-fi experience I had.

Can have a agile, emotive sound without fatigue.

I listened to the Naim with only Tannoy DCT6 SE speakers. Will be listening on Saturday with 685's and also KS50's. I listened to the Roksan with an audiolab 8200 cdp with both 685's and the KS50's and in both hearings preferred the sound of my current amp the RA-05 to the Kandy
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Hi,don't be fooled by first impressions. I've been there mate..Listen for a long period and see what you like most.:)

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plastic penguin wrote:

Naim amplification can be in ya face with the wrong speakers, but with the right set-up Naim is not fatiguing. From personal experience MF is warm and wooly sounding. Possibly the worst hi-fi experience I had.

Can have a agile, emotive sound without fatigue.

PP,

 That's the same reason why Im keeping my speakers:grin: .Synergy:dance:

Yup, it's about getting that right combo. Having heard naim with my old MAs it was nasty. Rig up some PMCs and that changes dramatically. Not just presentation, but tonal qualities too.

Regards to MF, had them at home with the RS6s (should intheory sound lively) and it was awful. Soft bass and lacking any drive - although it had huge reserves of power.

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Hi,don't be fooled by first impressions. I've been there mate..Listen for a long period and see what you like most.:)

Yup, some systems take a long time before you hear the benefits, others can hit you between the eyes immediately. Usually the latter isn't a long-term keeper.

TBF to the OP, IME, there's little between sub-£1000 integrated amps.

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Regards to MF, had them at home with the RS6s (should intheory sound lively) and it was awful. Soft bass and lacking any drive - although it had huge reserves of power.

How long ago was that?.......the current models are supposed to be superior. At the speed MF used to make changes, that could be several models back.

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plastic penguin wrote:

Regards to MF, had them at home with the RS6s (should intheory sound lively) and it was awful. Soft bass and lacking any drive - although it had huge reserves of power.

How long ago was that?.......the current models are supposed to be superior. At the speed MF used to make changes, that could be several models back.

I'm with PP on this. I've heard most of the MF range in the last 6 months, and I think they're very up and down. The top-end Class A stuff is wonderful. The Class D stuff is very good and keenly priced. But I don't really rate the mid-range Class AB amps.

YMMV, as ever.

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My opinion differ to quite a few of the replys in this thread. I auditioned musical fidelity m3i and naim nait xs with kudos x2 speakers. I have also heard m3i on psb imagine t. Both amps have PRAT (pace rythm & timing), however m3i sound airy to me wheras xs sound earthy. Of the two, I would choose musical fidelity. It sounded more open, brighter and livelier. If you ask me, it would suit neutral or darker/warmer sounding speakers like psb, dynaudio or b&w. Hope you get the chance to check both amps out and post your opinion  :?

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I'm with PP on this. I've heard most of the MF range in the last 6 months, and I think they're very up and down. The top-end Class A stuff is wonderful. The Class D stuff is very good and keenly priced. But I don't really rate the mid-range Class AB amps.

YMMV, as ever.

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I preferred the Arcam AVR600 to the M6i, and I would also take a Sugden A21 SE or Electro ECI-3 over it as well......but saying that, I like the way it (or M3i) sounds and wouldn't really describe it as "woolly".....such is the nature of personal taste / perception.

I've found it is much easier to agree on what is a wonderful sound.......the difference becomes more marked in cheaper systems, where you have to decide where to make the compromises.

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I've found it is much easier to agree on what is a wonderful sound.......the difference becomes more marked in cheaper systems, where you have to decide where to make the compromises.

I agree wholeheartedly, and it's the most difficult area of all. In "budget"  systems, synergy is crucial. Cue davedotco ...

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