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Digital remastered CD's

In other words digitally messed up, why do thay have to mess around with previously good sounding recordings to make them worse

Case in point , a while ago I lost my Brothers in arms CD by dire straits, I am not the biggest dire straits fan (honest :grin: ) but I love this CD and not only that its well recorded, I spotted it in HMV the other day for 4.99 so I bought it, Then I noticed digitally remastered down the backside of the case :?

sure enough it sounded flatter than I remeber it   |(   B******RDs. 

THe opening track' so far away' lost some of that cirsp percussion as I remember it, bland bland bland it was not much different to spotify version

Dumbing down or what, Thinking of going back to vinly again :shifty:

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

They remaster them to make them louder and thats why they sound worse.

Most recordings today are mastered so they sound good on phones and kitchen dab radios but this makes them sound much worse that the original recordings that had decent dynamic range when played on good hifi.

Plenty even have digital clipping and just sound nasty.

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

SOme are better some are just louder and worse, I think the early DS ones are the best so buy those if you can find them. I tend to buy used ones on Amazon, check out the DR database for dynamic range before buying. Not a big DS fan either but Love Over Gold I may buy.

 

Yes you have to watch out, for instance the Doors albums have been remixed and to me sound awful nothing like the original albums, I try them out on Spotify if they have them.

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

Even different remasters vary. My 1994 Joe Gastwirt remaster of 'Relayer' by Yes is great -- punchy and dynamic. The subsequent 2004 remaster of the same album by Rhino is dull and flat. Apparently the latter has solved the long-standing problem of tape hiss on the origianal master tapes, but in so doing the sound is over-filtered and lifeless. I suppose everything is a trade off between the music's dynamic qualities and signal-to-noise ratio -- the more you try and improve the latter the more you sacrifice the former.....especially on older recordings.

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

Yes vinyl souds better! Digitally remastered makes the music very worse. Look at here:

 

http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/

 

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

I'm sure my new remastered version of DSOTM sounds much more harsh than previous editions. Unlistenably so in my opinion

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DR is not everything, some of the early cds were pretty poor, some are thin sounding or bright. It depends who does the remastering, look at LedZepp. I have heard the 2004 Bob Dylan remasters are much better than the early cds. I have the Barry Diament remastered Exodus by Bob Marley which meant to be the best version.  The latest Kind of Blue is meant to be much better than the early cds, so its not always the case. 

 

Which version of DSOTM do you have?

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

The remastered 2011 "Discovery edition"

30th Anniversary hybrid SACD 2003 edition

And another edition (black cover) which looks like the 1994 standard copy on Amazon

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GMK wrote:

The remastered 2011 "Discovery edition"

30th Anniversary hybrid SACD 2003 edition

And another edition (black cover) which looks like the 1994 standard copy on Amazon

 

The Discovery edition is supposed to be quite good. Now I ahve read that the hydrid layers are different, the SACD is fine but the Red Book cd layer on the SACD is not the same as the SACD apart from the bits and the sound quality is not so good. 

Do you have a SACD player?

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

No, just the CD63

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

By and large I usually seek out the original disc as that's the one that's often just been taken from the analogue master and transferred across "as is">  Not always, but for the most part, I'm more than happy with what I have.  I tend to look out for who did the original mastering, so Barry Diament sits at the top of the pile for me.  Thereafter, Joe Gastwirt, Bernie Grundman, Bob Ludwig and a few others.  The original Zeppelin releases were good even though Barry Diament has usually stated that the tapes he had to work with weren't much to start off with.  He did a pretty impressive job IMO.

 

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Yep I have to agree with all of this. It's 2013, engineers have technology at their finger-tips which can transfer A->D completely without loss (ignoring for a second any negative opinion about digital and CDs).  But the potential SQ gain is very often lost because of the over-zealous mastering-techniques they are instructed to use.

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

Virtually every Remaster I've listened to is dreadful when compared to the original. As a huge Floyd fan I have to say I couldnt believe how terrible the latest remasters are, especially The Wall - Discovery Edition. The drum tracks, espescially snares are fluffy and vague without any of the toughtness In my old copy. Without being dramatic, I couldnt bare to listen to the whole thing.

Dont even get me started on 'Mastered for iTunes'.

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RE: Digital remastered CD's

My experience has been mixed but I have come across some good remasters.  Specifically I find Esoteric Records very good.  They have remastered quite a bit of progressive rock material (inc. BJH, Renaissance, Matching Mole, later Camel albums etc.) and the have been done really well.  I also found Polydor's remasters of the five core Polydor-era BJH albums to be excellent (Everyone Is Everybody Else through to and including XII).

There are some albums I am yet to hear in a convincing digital transfer, including Pink Floyd's 'Animals' which always sounds best on vinyl to me.

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