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Hi Everybody,

I'm looking for a nice DAC for a low price.

Now I see lot of Chinese brands are making DAC's and I'm wondering how they are.

Do you guys now the brand Aune and S.M.S.L. audio (also called SMSL)

Im looking for the Aune T1 tube DAC and the SMSL SD-1955 version 2012.

 

Im really fan of tubes but I see the Aune has a BurrBrown PCM1793 chip and the SMSL a Burrbrown PCM2704. Is it a big difference in sound?

What do you think of these DAC's? I saw some review about the Aune which are pretty good. SMSL i didnt found a thing about it.

I have a friend in china. he can send me some and the price isnt that big difference for me.

 

my setup:

Source: PC

Amp: Cambridge audio 340A SE

Speakers: Cambridge audio S6

Cables: speakercable VandenHul Hybrid

Interlink: doenst have one yet.. still looking for a good quality/price rca

Im sorry for my bad English. I'm from The Netherlands.

 

Thank you!

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RE: Chinese DAC's

I can't say much about those two but I was looking at the Aune T1 earlier today. I am thinking about selling some of my smaller DACs to try out this one, if I do I will report back of course.

I am really happy with my Chinese DACs in general - Fiio, Yulong etc., I don't like my iBasso but they are OK as a company) but there are loads of other respectable Chinese brands - Matrix, Hifiman, Audio GD and if you want a tube amp why not look at Little Dot.

I would steer clear of makes you've never heard of or can't find anything about though. If you fancy trying out Yulong or Matrix I recommend these guys to avoid customs charges and easier returns if anything goes wrong as they are in Germany...

http://www.pc-hifi-shop.com/index.php/d-a-converter.html

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Well, I heard some good stories of one guy who sells it in the netherlands. But still it is one guy and offcourse he will recommend it since he sells it and want to make profit.

 

Do you think the tube will really make that difference of sound? Or is it just a cheap tube what will help for good looks? If i have to choose between SMSL or Aune then on parts i would choose the SMSL since it has the better innerparts liek the burrbrown chip. Also it have better connection possibility's.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the burrbrown chips and its a big difference in sound? Cause i only heard of people this chip would be better but dont understand why.

 

Thank you!

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I don't know how much benefit a unit with a cheap tube will be. Considering its a DAC as well it is super cheap! The review i read said that the presentation wasn't as warm as a typical tube anyway.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the DAC chips used either, it's the implimentation of the chip that's important so reviews are infinitely more useful than a serial number. 

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I agree with quadpatch that if you want to try Chinese products go for something that have a good review.

I don't fancy tube DACs but if you want to have something warm I believe Yulong D18 may provide the need you want.  Though Yulong D100 is a very good DAC which is certainly value for the money it is not my cup of tea and I sold it out a month ago.  My friend will go to China on his business trip and I have requested him to buy me a D18 and hope I can have it in my hand in a month's time :bounce:

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I think the D18 might be might not be 'low price' enough for the OP, but it occured to me that maybe a dedicated DAC (rather than one with an included headphone amp) might be what he was looking for anyway. If you're trying to save money this should be the first consideration (ditch the head-amp).

Also my advise is that if you want warmth and tubes then get it from a dedicated amp (not a DAC or combined DAC/amp).

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Just thought the same so thats why im not really confinced about the tube Aune (althought the reviews are good). I think I'm going to buy both and the one i like the most i will keep and the other i will sell on ebay orso. I will keep you guys updated

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Just thought the same so thats why im not really confinced about the tube Aune (althought the reviews are good). I think I'm going to buy both and the one i like the most i will keep and the other i will sell on ebay orso. I will keep you guys updated

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Just got my Yulong D18 and on my initial listening it is very very pleasant to my ears and has "tube" feeling and the music is very analogue.  It has more space and bigger sound staging than D100.  The D18 has not yet burnt in and I will run it for some time before making further assessment.  When compared with D100 and without very detailed comparision I can say it is of different league.

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RE: Chinese DAC's

Would not recommend using Chinese brand dacs or anything else due to their lack of quality control. I started using some Chinese brand stuff, like Trends pre-amps, Jungson cables, and PopPulse dacs, and the reliability and performance is not up there compared to Japanese or European brands. They have better specs and they seem cheaper than the competition but the sound is not good. I think not enough research was put in the final design of the product. I guess it explains why Chinese hifi has not made it to the mainstream market in other parts of the world. Also, there products are in fact OVERPRICED HERE IN NORTH AMERICA, costing 2-3 times more than in China. I compared the prices here in Canada to prices in China. 

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You're right about a lot of manufacturing quality and QC in China but I think there's also a big movement for quality audio there and in some ways quite acceptable build quality. Although nothing like the high quality builds we see in Europe, Japan and America, they also don't come close to the high prices of those units either (at least here in Europe). I do think that they are trying and starting to get better too.

For budget gear I think Fiio is pretty great on the build quality and design. Although I've heard a few complaints about QC on the electronics in the E17 I've heard equally vocal percentages concerning the more expensive, entry level DAC/amp from Arcam (UK) - as good as it is, SQ wise.

I have heard great things about manufacturers like Matrix / Audio-GD and I find the Yulong stuff really great value, if perhaps mostly in europe, not sure if that's equally true of Canada.

In the high-end headphone circles Hifiman are making great waves. Their models might look a bit samey and boring but I haven't heard a great deal of negativity about build.

Now we have SoundMAGIC breaking into full-size headphones in the budget arena. They seem to be having a few teething issues with build but they seem determined to sort them out. Their stuff comes with a 2 year waranty as standard, their customer service is great and their sound quality is amazing for the price IMO. This is one of my favourite companies at the moment. I can't wait for the open back HP200! 

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RE: Chinese DAC's

Did you get on yet?

hifimediy usb dac is what you want until you can get some better speakers, unless you meant spendor s6 which are fine speakers? If you meant monitor audio then this dac will also sort out the top end Wink

dac development is stupid nowadays. I quite like the pcm 1794 though but the ess9023 is liveable.

 

2 versions:

external power supply, volume, more interestingly proper isolated usb - dac £37+ shipping.

 

Basic usb-3.5mm £27+ shipping.

 

gone up in price a bit it seems, but still the battery power option - Anker astro3 battery power supply costs the same as the DAC!

I'm hoping they develop a cm6631, 12mhz tcxo and 50mhz osc some time very soon before i buy another. Pref also a cheap battery power supply solution.

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