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Possible Alternative to 2M Black?

Hi All

Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on a change from a Ortofon 2M black which is what i have at the moment. I cant help feeling that its a tad boring and would like something with a bit more oomph and excitement. The 2M black has great detail but often think i could do better, i also find that compared to my digital source  the hi hats and cymbals are much less clearer and seem much lower in the mix, i realise that this might be one of the fundamental differences between digital and analogue but i think this can be improved.

I hear nothing but good things about the Goldring 1042, any ideas on this cartridge or anything else would be greatly received. 

My budget wil be whatever i can get for the 2M Black plus £100 at the most.

Regards to you all  Smile

Ed

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edplaysdrums42 wrote:

Hi All

Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on a change from a Ortofon 2M black which is what i have at the moment. I cant help feeling that its a tad boring and would like something with a bit more oomph and excitement. The 2M black has great detail but often think i could do better, i also find that compared to my digital source  the hi hats and cymbals are much less clearer and seem much lower in the mix, i realise that this might be one of the fundamental differences between digital and analogue but i think this can be improved.

I hear nothing but good things about the Goldring 1042, any ideas on this cartridge or anything else would be greatly received. 

My budget wil be whatever i can get for the 2M Black plus £100 at the most.

Regards to you all  Smile

Ed

2m black....boring? 

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edplaysdrums42 wrote:

Hi All

Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on a change from a Ortofon 2M black which is what i have at the moment. I cant help feeling that its a tad boring and would like something with a bit more oomph and excitement. The 2M black has great detail but often think i could do better, i also find that compared to my digital source  the hi hats and cymbals are much less clearer and seem much lower in the mix, i realise that this might be one of the fundamental differences between digital and analogue but i think this can be improved.

I hear nothing but good things about the Goldring 1042, any ideas on this cartridge or anything else would be greatly received. 

My budget wil be whatever i can get for the 2M Black plus £100 at the most.

Regards to you all  Smile

Ed

Hi Ed, that was my felling of the Black when I was looking for a cartridge, great detail but . . . no soul! no old fashioned analogue organics, which I must say, is how I have found the modern hifi sound in general with a few exceptions. Personally, I find cymbals and hi-hat often to aggressive and overpowering in modern recordings.

In my search I had on the list; Goldring 1042, Dynavector 10x5, Grado Reference Platinum 1, one might also consider the M2 Bronze, (stylus only required) the reviews suggest it is the most lively in the range? There was also the Sumiko Blue point special EVO, a real get up and go job, not laid back enough for me though.

'Divine Audio' at Desborough, were very helpful, they were willing to post cartridges to me on sale or return . . . of all these cartridges in this bracket, I favoured the 10x5, it had zip without splash and bash! Its also well recommended as a Rega 'mate' . . .

CJSF

 

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2m black....boring? 

 

Yip ,yawn yawn yawn. Technically correct,toe tapping,nope, imo of course.

Ed, if you can source one at the right price i would counsel a Lyra Dorian. Could well be be what you are after. Loads of detail,gut walloping bass, and toe tapping a plenty. You may, with a bit of arm twisting,get a good deal on one. Divine Audio ,who cj used, is a Lyra dealer i think, and it appears he is willing to send out demmo carts.

You really need to dem one mind, as i have no idea how it will come across via your Luxys phono etc etc.

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Lol, i was typing as you posted CJ :grin:

 

Echoing CJs 10x5 reccy,ive got one knocking around in my box of tricks,quite a fun little cart.

 

Ah Ed, re Dorian. Im not going by magazine reviews/talk. I own one mate.

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Lol, i was typing as you posted CJ :grin:

 

Echoing CJs 10x5 reccy,ive got one knocking around in my box of tricks,quite a fun little cart.

 

Ah Ed, re Dorian. Im not going by magazine reviews/talk. I own one mate.

Hi Floyd, my suggestion were keeping with in Eds budget? but the Dorian . . . now there is a cartridge, very much on my radar, had I not fallen on my feet with Sumiko Pearwood . . .

Ed, how about tweaking the tracking force on the M2 Black, you are never going to make a silk purse out of it, but I found backing off the tracking by 'tiny, tiny' amounts, it requires a deft touch, a good ear and patience, it did liven things up a little? Then save a few more pennies to have a go at the Dorian . . . just a thought? There is always your plastic friend:?

By the way Ed, Divine Audio do do trade-ins?

CJSF

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Hi Cj me old mate how ya doing ?. I pretty sure the Dorian is now discontinued, hence maybe Ed could get a good deal if he twists arms hard enough.

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Hi Cj me old mate how ya doing ?. I pretty sure the Dorian is now discontinued, hence maybe Ed could get a good deal if he twists arms hard enough.

 

I think you are right Floyd, its why I ended up with the Sumiko, my dealer was trying to get hold of a Dorian for me to try, we were having a chat and it came up in the coversation that the Sumiko Pearwood Celebration had come in that morning as Px . . . ??? everything to gain nothing to loose, I had no catridge in the arm, tried it against a Linn Adikt which he loaned me as well.

A couple of days later the telephone conversation went; "how much for the pearwood"? . . . he 'ummed and 'ared??? . . . "I cant give it away" he said . . . "how does £200 sound"? . . . :bounce:  the rest is history ROFL

I suspect Divine must still have stock, they keep a fair eye on the web page and its still listed . . . ?

CJSF

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200 quid !. I bet you paid up, stuck it in yer pocket and ran, lol,nice one mate.

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200 quid !. I bet you paid up, stuck it in yer pocket and ran, lol,nice one mate.

I certainly did, I nearly ripped his arm off!!! I was taking a gamble on how many hours the stylus has left?? Even if I had to get it tipped/rebuilt straight away, thats £300 + £200 = £500 for a £1350 cartridge . . . incidentally no sign of needing a new stylus/rebuild yet? Even so, I'm sure I would have been happy with the Lyru Dirol

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Hi Fella's

Thanks a lot for your input, much appreciated, looks like i shall be giving Divine audio a call! My only problem is that i am not cartridge savvy and have always had my local dealer fit them for me. I'll keep you posted

Thanks again, Ed Wink

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Well Ed old chapperoonie tis time you had a go then isnt it. Get an AT-91 circa 18 quid, or some other old banger and have a play. If you bounce it, then so what !!. So long as you keep the guard on, if its got one, you will be fine mate. Fitting any cart isnt rocket science tbh so get in there and have a go. Not good for the towel holder if you've paid mega bucks for a cart and there is no guard, but you are not going down that route, yet Wink .

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I'm sure its something i could do, are there any good links or online video's on how to fit a cart?

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I'm sure its something i could do, are there any good links or online video's on how to fit a cart?

I would give you hand Ed if you were any where near my neck of the woods?

CJSF

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Thanks for the offer CJ, i may just take you up on that.  Smile

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Ed. Just bang 'how to fit a turntable cartridge youtube' into google. Fair few results for you to peruse.

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