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Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?
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I’ve had a good few weeks on E bay with the Dino 2 and the cheapest of the 4 Illustrious arms that OL sold so I now need a cartridge.
My shortlist is Ortofon Rondo Bronze, 2M black or Cadenza Red although I did fancy a WHF recommended Benz Micro L2 wood which was in the September 2010 issue at £670 but I can only find it at over £900. Is there anything else I should consider and I am not buying secondhand on this.
I have never had a MC and I have a slight concern as I get occasional crud build up at the moment which I remove with the small Ortofon stylus brush. Will I have any problems cleaning a MC stylus with this.

Michell Orbe SE. Origin Live Illustrious 2/3. Transfiguration Axia S. Roksan amps. Dali Epicon 3 speakers.

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?

There was a price change some months back on this range so its possible the review was before this. At this price, you could also consider the Cartridge Man Music Maker III cartridge. The Ortofon has quite a forward, detailed sound and the Music Maker III is a little warmer by comparison. What sort of music do you tend to listen to most? One benefit of the Music Maker III is that its Moving Iron, which is designed to offer the sonic benefits of an MC with the standard higher level output of a MM.

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All Grados are moving iron, as are many Ortofons.

Personally I like the Ortofons, though they can sound a bit clinical.  Bear in mind the compliance of the arm and the cartridge needs to be taken into consideration.

Edit: in fact, according to my research, all non-MC Ortofons are MI and have been for some time. 

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?
Grottyash:

All Grados are moving iron, as are many Ortofons.

Personally I like the Ortofons, though they can sound a bit clinical.  Bear in mind the compliance of the arm and the cartridge needs to be taken into consideration.

Edit: in fact, according to my research, all non-MC Ortofons are MI and have been for some time. 

the 2m range is moving magnet and not iron...am I missing something here?

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Good question! You'll see this is a subject of much interest on some of the vinyl forums. Ortofon say they're MM, but others have examined the cartridges closely and thought otherwise. 

Probably doesn't matter as long as they sound good. 

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?
Grottyash:

Good question! You'll see this is a subject of much interest on some of the vinyl forums. Ortofon say they're MM, but others have examined the cartridges closely and thought otherwise. 

Probably doesn't matter as long as they sound good. 

Yes in the end that is all that matters Smile still an interesting topic as why manufacturers would call their ranges of cartridges MM instead of MI and visa versa.

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?
audioaffair:There was a price change some months back on this range so its possible the review was before this. At this price, you could also consider the Cartridge Man Music Maker III cartridge. The Ortofon has quite a forward, detailed sound and the Music Maker III is a little warmer by comparison. What sort of music do you tend to listen to most? One benefit of the Music Maker III is that its Moving Iron, which is designed to offer the sonic benefits of an MC with the standard higher level output of a MM.


I listen to 70s rock, Zep,Purple,Wishbone Ash,Thin Lizzy etc etc through to Dire Straits, Marillion, Toto, Fleetwood Mac, Lindisfarne, Cat Stevens and Steely Dan. The only solo female vocal I have is Alison Moyet and the only present day artist LPs I would buy would Joe Bonamassa. Limited taste really.
I had thought about the Cartridge Man as OL do recommend that but I fancied trying an MC.

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?

Just to clarify, the Ortofon models are Moving Magnet. A small magnet is attached to the end of the cantilever, hence the term moving magnet!

Lost Angeles, looking at your musical preference, I would suggest going for the Cadenza Red. All the Red models are tailored to have a bit more emotion and a touch of colour that really suits Rock.

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?
Grottyash:

Good question! You'll see this is a subject of much interest on some of the vinyl forums. Ortofon say they're MM, but others have examined the cartridges closely and thought otherwise. 

Probably doesn't matter as long as they sound good. 



Ortofon are probably the oldest and largest cartridge manufacturer in the world with R&D facilities that most others can only dream of. With respect to the "others" you mention, I think Ortofon may know what they are doing. Smile

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?
Henley:Just to clarify, the Ortofon models are Moving Magnet. A small magnet is attached to the end of the cantilever, hence the term moving magnet! Lost Angeles, looking at your musical preference, I would suggest going for the Cadenza Red. All the Red models are tailored to have a bit more emotion and a touch of colour that really suits Rock.

I'm certain Ortofon know what they're doing and don't recollect saying otherwise. I've used several of Ortofon's cartridges over the years and am using one of their p-mounts now.  Their VMS range amongst others was sold as moving iron, and Ortofon based many of their later designs on it.

That wasn't really the point: moving iron cartridges are readily available and the one cited by audio affair is by no means the only one out there. Whether it produces the benefits to the sound as mentioned, is, however, moot. 

 

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?

Sorry but we need to be factually accurate. VMS were moving magnet. "Variable Magnetic Shunt" and all literature refers to moving magnet, which they were. We have copies of all brochures dating back to pre 1950 and have verified this.

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But see the definition of VMS:

the cantilever in a VMS cartridge can be made extremely light because it is not weighed down by a magnet. Here, the magnetic field emanates from a fixed ring magnet that encircles the cantilever, the rearmost part of which consists of a thin-walled armature of magnetic conducting material. When the cantilever is set in motion, the armature short-circuits part of the magnetic field, and a voltage is generated in the coils. The VMS principle not only makes it possible to reduce the mass of the cantilever to an absolute minimum, but the construction is such that the weight of the entire cartridge can be reduced making the VMS cartridge suitable for use with a large number of tonearms. The special construction of the VMS principle means that the magnetic operating point in the cartridge may be placed at the origin of the induction curve, where there is no risk of non-linearity that can lead to distortion. The VMS principle has made it possible to produce Low Mass cartridges with a weight of only 1.5 grams.

Reference here: http://www.speakerbits.com/speaker-repairs/about-cartridges-principle-of-operation/article-23.aspx

That sounds remarkably similar to the moving iron principle (taken, inevitably, from wikipedia):

Moving iron and induced magnet types (ADC being a well known example) which have the magnet fixed and move a piece of iron or other ferrous alloy in the field of the magnet to produce the signal within the fixed coils. 

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?
Henley:Just to clarify, the Ortofon models are Moving Magnet. A small magnet is attached to the end of the cantilever, hence the term moving magnet! Lost Angeles, looking at your musical preference, I would suggest going for the Cadenza Red. All the Red models are tailored to have a bit more emotion and a touch of colour that really suits Rock.


Thank you for your reply.
Can you clarify what you mean by Red models, as the Red models are usually the bottom of the range do you mean the Cadenza Red would be more suited to my music taste than a Cadenza Blue or a Rondo Red more suitable than a Rondo Bronze.
I ask this as a lot of people on here when a stylus needed replacing have replaced a 2M Red stylus with a Blue and wondered long term whether when I need a stylus replacing it would be possible to replace Cadenza Red (if I buy one) with a Blue. I know that may be 2 years away but it's nice to know if it's possible and worth it.
I am correct in saying that the Cadenza Red is a Moving Coil?




 



 

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?

At the price range you're looking, many folk have commented on how good the Ortofon Kontrapunkt B catridge is - Moving Coil and around £700 I think...? Long established and very well reviewed.

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?

Grotty ash, there's no point in continuing this argument and I really can't be bothered. VMS is a system designed by Ortofon, I think they may have a better idea than others.

LA - Yes, I am referring to all Red models. (2M, Rondo, Cadenza) are all designed to bit more emotional and slightly coloured which really suit Rock. The 2M is slightly different where the extra information, gained by the better stylus profile, is such an improvement that it outweighs any other changes in characteristic. (Oh and yes, the Cadenza is a moving coil).

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Re: Ortofon Rondo Bronze or ?

Henley have explained it much better than I could! For the money and for what you're after, there are few cartridges that can match the Cadenza Red. It's worth having a listen before you buy if you can arrange this.

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