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What albums were so badly produced not even SACD CD DDD Re-Mastering Re-Mixing could save them?
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You know the albums I mean-the drums sound like someone hitting a biscuit tin covered with  a tea cosy-The bass- muffled muddy, indistinct.Vocals hazy & garbled.

For me nothing can make Genesis' 'Duke' sound any better, a really weird sounding album on all hi-fi I've ever owned.

Also,always had trouble with Elton John's 'Someone saved my life tonight'.

 

Some albums sound so bright,clean & warm even when played on humble equipment.

What albums have you found to be badly produced?

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What albums were so badly produced not....

I know what you mean about Duke, really strange one for the time it was made.

Metallica's ...and Justice for All is another that winds me up every time I listen to it.  Some of my favourite 'tallica tracks and it sounds horrific!  The clickiest drums ever heard and you have to wonder if Jason Newsted actually played on the album - where's the Bass Guitar???

A friend of mine got the vinyl reissue last year and like a few other LP's he's got I've been able to rip them to FLAC (a bloody awkward job and no mistake).  It's not massively different on Vinyl but an improvement none the less.

Rush's Presto album is another that I'm keen to hear a vinyl version of (tbh I dont know if it even exists on vinyl).  The CD is easily one of the brightest sounding in my collection.  I'm not saying the sound is poor, just lacking in much mid range/warmth.

Don't get me started on recent CD releases |( but we all know where the fault lies and it is something that could be fixed if the record companies were inclined to do so. :wall:

 

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RE: What albums were so badly produced ...

pete9012s wrote:

You know the albums I mean-the drums sound like someone hitting a biscuit tin covered with  a tea cosy-The bass- muffled muddy, indistinct.Vocals hazy & garbled.

For me nothing can make Genesis' 'Duke' sound any better, a really weird sounding album on all hi-fi I've ever owned.

Also,always had trouble with Elton John's 'Someone saved my life tonight'.

 

Some albums sound so bright,clean & warm even when played on humble equipment.

What albums have you found to be badly produced?

 

I used to agree about Duke, but then clapped hands on the Barry Diament mastering, which you'll find on a US Atco label, usually a Japanese pressing and they go for lowish money on Ebay.  Then found the UK releases, I think one of mine is on Nimbus and found they were streets ahead of the vinyl versions I'd heard.  Same goes for Trick of the Tail which I always felt was lightweight, but now it's probably my favourite Genesis album.

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Trick is a belter, no arguments there.  Hell, Ripples and Squonk (just for the title alone lol) are two of my favourite Genesis songs.

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All of Arcade Fire's albums - the most hideous slabs of over-compressed aural GBH, ever? I assume the band records its work on one of these (in a cavernous floor-to-ceiling tiled bathroom):

 

Shame, cos the music's rather fine and they sound great live  :doh:

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What albums were so badly produced

 

Sepultura - "Bestial Devastation and Morbid Visions"

Possibly the worst sounding album ever. It contains one of their greatest tracks too, "Troops of Doom".

 

Ah well.

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RE: What albums were so badly prodot

All Coldplay albums?

Older culprits are:

The Rolling Bones Exile on Main Street (if your system can resolve this one I'd like to hear it)

Rush Vapor Trails (everything turned up to 11. I have a couple of tracks that have been remastered on a compilation CD and they show what the album could have been - incredible)

Can't think of any more right now. A lot of albums produced in the 70s sound like the drummer didn't bother to take the kit out of its cardboard boxes.

PS. Presto is available on vinyl and sounds ok to me.

PPS. Good 99 character subject title lol. Biggrin

 

 

 

 

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Sepultura - Bestial
Sepultura - Bestial Devastation doesnt sound like the worst production. i actually enjoy its thin kick drum , the kick is panned to the left and the whole stereo image is not boring. The tones are not in your face or crystal clear but i guess that is how it should sound, My top pick for the worst is

Urge Overkill - Jesus urge superstar , listen to the song 'Last train to heaven' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaMxXAfyLeA

Is it a joke?  I really cant believe how it can sound this bad and unclear and its produced by a reputed producer.

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Oasis

Prett much all Oasis albums sound heavily compressed and brash. It's all volume to the max with no dynamics. Pretty much all of that era and genre of music was produced in a similar way.

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There are one or two albums I

There are one or two albums I wish were recorded a bit better, but at the end of the day, they are what they are - a better system will still make a bad recording sound better, and these types of albums usually show the biggest differences in any system's abilities to make the most of what is there - stop worrying about how you want a particular album to sound and just enjoy the music.

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David@FrankHarvey wrote:

David@FrankHarvey wrote:

There are one or two albums I wish were recorded a bit better, but at the end of the day, they are what they are - a better system will still make a bad recording sound better, and these types of albums usually show the biggest differences in any system's abilities to make the most of what is there - stop worrying about how you want a particular album to sound and just enjoy the music.

If I play the album What's the story morning glory by Oasis or Californication by the Red Hot Chilli Peppers then they are going to sound a lot better though my hi-fi separates system than they would though a lesser hi-fi system. If I then play the album Beautiful freak by the Eels or the album Actually by the Pet Shop Boys though my hi-fi separates system then it is going to show up just how badly produced the first to albums I talked about really are. An expensive hi-fi separates system is going to make any badly produced albums sound better but if you play a balbly produced album after listening to a good produced album then that expenice hi-fi separates system is always going to show the floors in any badly produced album and your h-fi separates system is never going to shine at it's fullest while playing that badly produced album like it should. Most people who comment on this page (like me as I listened to What's the story morning glory by Oasis lots of times though my hi-fi separates system even though it is badly produced and does not make my system shine at it's fullest) are going to have listened to the albums they listed on here and continue to do so because they like them. There is nothing wrong in wishing an album that you like was produced better. With comments like the one you made we all might as well sell are hi-fi separates systems and go down Argos and buy one of their hi-fi systems beause what's the point of caring about good sound. I expect better comments from someone who sells hi-fi separates.

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MrReaper182 wrote:If I play

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If I play the album What's the story morning glory by Oasis or Californication by the Red Hot Chilli Peppers then they are going to sound a lot better though my hi-fi separates system than they would though a lesser hi-fi system. If I then play the album Beautiful freak by the Eels or the album Actually by the Pet Shop Boys though my hi-fi separates system then it is going to show up just how badly produced the first to albums I talked about really are. An expensive hi-fi separates system is going to make any badly produced albums sound better but if you play a balbly produced album after listening to a good produced album then that expenice hi-fi separates system is always going to show the floors in any badly produced album and your h-fi separates system is never going to shine at it's fullest while playing that badly produced album like it should. Most people who comment on this page (like me as I listened to What's the story morning glory by Oasis lots of times though my hi-fi separates system even though it is badly produced and does not make my system shine at it's fullest) are going to have listened to the albums they listed on here and continue to do so because they like them. There is nothing wrong in wishing an album that you like was produced better. With comments like the one you made we all might as well sell are hi-fi separates systems and go down Argos and buy one of their hi-fi systems beause what's the point of caring about good sound. I expect better comments from someone who sells hi-fi separates.

If you're just going to say that hearing a lesser quality album after a better quality one is going to make the lesser quality album sound worse, then stating the obvious really isn't adding anything to the thread. That's like listening to a good system, then listening to a better one and saying that the previous one sounds crap. 

I really don't see what you are objecting to with regards to my comment. I stated that an album, regardless of quality, will sound better on a better system, and that albums of lesser quality actually show up the differences in systems better than well recorded ones, and because of that you feel that everyone should buy a cheap system? I'm not really sure what to say to that, other than you may have misunderstood my comment.

I've heard What's The Story Morning Glory, and I agree, it sounds awful, but does that really detract from the music itself? Not too long ago, someone was complaining about Death Magnetic by Metallica, saying it was unlistenable, so I bought it just to try it on a system at work. Yes, it sounded crap as far as mastering was concerned, but it wasn't unlistenable. I presume the result was a manufactured one, seeing as it was by one my favourite producers, Rick Rubin.

I also stated that whatever album we buy, its quality is what it is. Sometimes a fuzzy, distorted sound is intentional, so no matter how well it is mastered to whatever format, it will sound the way it was intended. Those who are genuinely into music will just listen to it. I know someone who has purchased nigh on £6,000 of vinyl over the course of three/four months, and he has a midi system which probably cost three figures. He's into music, and I've never heard him once mention that an album doesn't sound good, or that he wished a particular album sounded better - he just listens to music and enjoys it. The point is, you don't have to be into hifi to enjoy music, but there are those of us who like to hear that music at its best - whether it sounds perfect or not.

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Interesting you say about

Interesting you say about  Rick Rubin he gets some very mixed views in the music business. Some of his albums are supposed to be among the worst sounding like Californication and that Metallica one you mentioned. Now whether that is down to him or the mastering engineer Im not sure. Some of his work is also very good like Johnny Cash American Recordings. 

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