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Hello hello, as you might now I have finally completed my systems, all units are in place except for the streamer which will be joining the family in 10 days. I have now an amazing kit which I would like to fine-tune since, as expected, still does not sound as good as it sounded in the shop when I have heard it for the first time. 

I really like the overall presentation which is very smooth and relaxing...kind of sound you can listen for hours. What I would like to improve now it's a little bit of speed and sparkle. Sometimes I feel there is too much bass. I still have quite a few improvements to do starting with

- Cables: power cables, speaker cables and interconnects

- Electricity: power conditioner or proper power bar

- Room acoustic: positioning or acoustic panel (my delaer just sent my floor plan and pictures to Acoustica Applicata)

- Rack: looking at a finite elemente rack with ceramic feet in order to isolating better the different components

- Vibrations: looking at pads to use with amplifier and source, boards to decouple the speakers from the floor

 

Any idea or something I am missing? Of course any advice on the different categories is highly appreciated

Thanks

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You probably don't wanna hear this but...

Wait until the streamer up, running and dancing on the table... and the old lugs have adjusted.

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For cables....TQ Black / Ultra Black are very quick and clean sounding.....They also do power cables (The TQ Blue Power won HFW power cable for 2012).

For Power Cables, also check out Shunyata and Furutech.

Did you check out Vertere...also a great possibility?

IMO. BR really works for unwanted vibrations.

You are right in trying to prevent your system from sounding too warm and cozy......what cable brands do you have access to?

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plastic penguin wrote:

You probably don't wanna hear this but...

Wait until the streamer up, running and dancing on the table... and the old lugs have adjusted.

Good advice.....but research, short lists, and a certain amount of experimentation can still be done....as long as no final decisions are made until the ADS is in place (not too far away).

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Iv set up a few systems for other people and they always sound good, maybe more satisfying than mine... Only thing is iv used my old components to set them up. Maybe it's the whole giving or effort thing?

 

I wouldn't worry about the last four for a while, sorbothane can help under speaker but probably not yours. You could try swapping copper and silver between your components/speakers.

 

You should also secure your speaker wires to you speakers well. Iv been experimenting with biamping using different cables for tweeter and mid driver. Every time I change one set I have to tighten the other. Must be the vibration.

 

other than that just buy lots of music to flip while your system balances.

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CnoEvil wrote:

plastic penguin wrote:

You probably don't wanna hear this but...

Wait until the streamer up, running and dancing on the table... and the old lugs have adjusted.

Good advice.....but research, short lists, and a certain amount of experimentation can still be done....as long as no final decisions are made until the ADS is in place (not too far away).

Fully understand your sentiments, but once all his equipment is installed and 'bedded in' then you can make minor tweaks..... 

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Blimey, you've got it bad. 

We spend a shed load of cash buying the stuff and then another load of cash getting it to sound like it should in the first place. 

Seriously though your thoughts about room treatment is the best. It' seems to be an accepted way of improving things at reasonable cost. Sometimes just taking a step back and looking at your room. 

Its on my agenda. 

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Thanks all for advices, this is the spirit. I won't change anything before the ADS is here of course, but I like to start planning things in advance as I still have a source which is the turntable...which I actually enjoying a lot!

Actually there is a dealer in Netherlands which stocks the Vertere cables and already sells something else to Francis, he said he will try to get a pair of demo cables to try. I will also try Siltech cables as Francis said they might add that sparkle and speed I am looking for...let's see.

Regardinsg electricity, I think this might be a real problem as I have everyhting plugged on the same base which is just a commercial one...how much this could influence?

Thanks a lot

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plastic penguin wrote:

Fully understand your sentiments, but once all his equipment is installed and 'bedded in' then you can make minor tweaks..... 

If you believe in the effects of cables (and imo, can be more than a minor tweak), finding the right one can take some weeks.....or you can strike lucky very quickly.

Alex likes to be very thorough, which pays off in the long run...."measure twice, cut once!"

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Oh I forgot room treatment  Crying

 

yeah fluffy rugs from ikea and canvas pictures from charity shops. 

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acalex wrote:

Regardinsg electricity, I think this might be a real problem as I have everyhting plugged on the same base which is just a commercial one...how much this could influence?

Thanks a lot

Hard one to call.

It can range from very minor, to huge.....and is location and system dependent. I've even tried a mains regenerator ( Isol 8 ) that made the system sound worse (for my taste)...ie. made it sound too cold and analytical.

I prefer balanced mains transformers (like the Atlas one, which is the best I've heard), to both conditioners and regenerators ( I prefer regenerators to conditioners).

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Hate to break it to ya acalex, but we all know there is only one answer.  Build your own house.   Find an electrician who is also an audiophile and cable nutter.  Give him an unlimited budget.  

 

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acalex wrote:

- Cables: power cables, speaker cables and interconnects

- Electricity: power conditioner or proper power bar

- Room acoustic: positioning or acoustic panel (my delaer just sent my floor plan and pictures to Acoustica Applicata)

- Rack: looking at a finite elemente rack with ceramic feet in order to isolating better the different components

- Vibrations: looking at pads to use with amplifier and source, boards to decouple the speakers from the floor

 

Any idea or something I am missing? Of course any advice on the different categories is highly appreciated

Thanks

Cables - Amazon sell good inexpensive ones.

Electricity - mate, most amps are made to cope with changes. Believe me, the same amp I had in Sydney worked just as well in Sydney as in the NT. 'Cept for the blackouts during the odd storm.

Room - definitely. That's what you put your money into

Rack - ikea is pretty ****ing good

Vibrations - odd tremor in Darwin didn't cause problems. Essential for turntables, though

You forgot to add music - spent a ton.

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And make sure it's all the same as the guy who broke his relationship designing the stuff

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Edit: sat on the computer

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acalex wrote:

Hello hello, as you might now I have finally completed my systems, all units are in place except for the streamer which will be joining the family in 10 days. I have now an amazing kit which I would like to fine-tune since, as expected, still does not sound as good as it sounded in the shop when I have heard it for the first time. 

rolling on the floor laughing

I don't know why you'd be expecting that. maybe it just doesn't sound as good as you'd want?

acalex wrote:

I really like the overall presentation which is very smooth and relaxing...kind of sound you can listen for hours. What I would like to improve now it's a little bit of speed and sparkle. Sometimes I feel there is too much bass. I still have quite a few improvements to do starting with

see! I wanted to steer you into the realms of panel speaker world (ESL or magnetostats) but you wouldn't listen. you won't make a speaker sound "faster" just by changing cables or putting it on some felt. if it's slow it'll keep slow. these tweaks may only bring some marginal change.

acalex wrote:

- Cables: power cables, speaker cables and interconnects

- Electricity: power conditioner or proper power bar

- Room acoustic: positioning or acoustic panel (my delaer just sent my floor plan and pictures to Acoustica Applicata)

- Rack: looking at a finite elemente rack with ceramic feet in order to isolating better the different components

- Vibrations: looking at pads to use with amplifier and source, boards to decouple the speakers from the floor

 

Any idea or something I am missing? Of course any advice on the different categories is highly appreciated

Thanks

-cables: a bit of different flavor. but if your gear doesn't sound well with generic cables it doesn't sound well at all.

-electricity: your gear is already fitted with state-of-the art power supply (at this price level it better should be). any mains related noise should be readily filtered out by capacitors fitted in your gear's power supply. make yourself a favor and do this experiment. if the gear sounds as poor very late at night then there's nothing you can do about electricity. otherwise balanced mains transformer is the only way forward.

-room acoustics: definitely worth looking into some available possibilities. however, most of the specialised hi-fi companies will rip you off, so be vary.

-rack: no comment on that rolling on the floor laughing so you're saying how many thousands you're willing to spend on a hi-fi rack?

-vibrations: get yourself some cheep accelerometer and check vibrations on your current rack.... enough on that.

 

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