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RE: Improving my system now...

I would suggest having a least one dedicated circuit run in just for your hi-fi, maybe two if you can, one for the amp & the other for sources.

I'm not entirely convinced about the need for power conditioners, but from a protecting your equipment point of view you can't have enough I suppose.

Then room treatments, have your room tested & measured by a professional. Get rid of bass traps & reflections as much as possible.

Once all these have been taken care of then start looking at tweaks, but only after the room has been done.

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Speed and sparkle?

I'd be getting the urge to fit that kit out with some Nordost cabling.

Stuff.

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Agree with Neuphonix - get the room sorted before tweaking with cables.  

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Hello everybody, thanks for all insights I appreciate. Just a few statements to clarify some comments. I said I wasn't expecting to sound as good as in the shop as I knew that room acoustic plays an important role and my actual installation does not allow me to do as much as I would. I have a "narrow" corner where all the system is fitted which is far from being the ideal placement. Also because I knew the system in the shop was "complete" with all possible twists and tricks a dealer knows how to put in place.

For the rest, I never said my speakers are slow...I love these speakers and even if I looked at different possible options I kept coming back to those. If I could probably do a major change now would be the amplifier to go towards something like Mastersound monoblocks...but this is another story. Plus any planae or electrostatic speakers had no chance to pass the wife test...as she discarded them quickly. I still have to share the living room with my girlfriend so I am still allowing her to decide what goes and what does not go. I also think is possible to correct a few things and improve quite a lot the system by playing with cables, acoustic and vibrations. I switched from a pure copper cable to Lavardin cables and the effect was alredy evident...so I expect still to be able to improve things by swapping again cables towards the "right ones for my system"

In terms of furniture, I don't understand why we keep spending thousands of eur on DAC, speakers, amp, cables and then we use a cheap Ikea piece of furniture? Be clear, nothing against Ikea, but in no way an Ikea piece of furniture would be as nice as a well designed hi-fi rack. Even leaving aside the fact that each shelf is properly isolated, I think also the sight deserves something not?

In terms of acoustic, unfortunately there is not much I can do as I can't move my speakers much more than this. I will try to post my floorplan. On the other way I cannot do any major change to the house as I am renting and it's still to early to buy a new house (still don't know if I am going to spend many years in Brussels or not). But I will definitely look at acoustic panels, bass traps etc to see if something can be improved.

In terms of electricity, I feel the system actually sounds better at night and during weekends, again not much can be done there if not adding a power conditioner/generator. The good thing is that I do not have to buy anything in advance but I can try as long as I want at home before deciding if it makes sense or not!

Thanks to all people contributing to this thread! 

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Neuphonix wrote:

I would suggest having a least one dedicated circuit run in just for your hi-fi, maybe two if you can, one for the amp & the other for sources.

I'm not entirely convinced about the need for power conditioners, but from a protecting your equipment point of view you can't have enough I suppose.

Then room treatments, have your room tested & measured by a professional. Get rid of bass traps & reflections as much as possible.

Once all these have been taken care of then start looking at tweaks, but only after the room has been done.

Thats very good advice, unfortunately not everything can be done in the room. For example my gf does not want to get rid of a mirror wich sits just in front of speakers. I proposed to her replacing it with a nice big picture (maybe an acoustic panel with nice photo), I am waiting for a response Smile

I will post pictures of the room now

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need to get those speakers out in the open!

 

flip dining table 90 degrees and shimmy over nearer the fireplace

move bookshelf, stick sofa towards that corner and the long end of the sofa in front of the window 

amp and speakers firing at your sofa - move speakers more into the room

draw the curtains!

 

failing that - how about a heavy curtain over your doorway?

 

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fatman wrote:

need to get those speakers out in the open!

 

flip dining table 90 degrees and shimmy over nearer the fireplace

move bookshelf, stick sofa towards that corner and the long end of the sofa in front of the window 

amp and speakers firing at your sofa - move speakers more into the room

draw the curtains!

 

failing that - how about a heavy curtain over your doorway?

 

Forgot to mention that just underneath the big window there is a long heater...

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As an absolute priority, bring the sofa forward so your listening position is not against the rear wall. 

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BenLaw wrote:

As an absolute priority, bring the sofa forward so your listening position is not against the rear wall. 

Does it change a lot?

Thanks

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acalex wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

As an absolute priority, bring the sofa forward so your listening position is not against the rear wall. 

Does it change a lot?

Thanks

Just take a chair. Put it 1m in front of the sofa. Sit down and listen. It might make a lot of difference to the bass.

So if changing the position of your sofa is not an option, get a comfy listening chair, that you can move easily when necessary.

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DocG wrote:

acalex wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

As an absolute priority, bring the sofa forward so your listening position is not against the rear wall. 

Does it change a lot?

Thanks

Just take a chair. Put it 1m in front of the sofa. Sit down and listen. It might make a lot of difference to the bass.

So if changing the position of your sofa is not an option, get a comfy listening chair, that you can move easily when necessary.

Totally agree with this.

Bass does reflects off the back wall....which is one of the areas that often gets acoustic treatment.

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acalex wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

As an absolute priority, bring the sofa forward so your listening position is not against the rear wall. 

Does it change a lot?

Thanks

 

Yes, it's the single most important thing to do. 

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Cool, thanks a lot guys. Sofa cannot change place, my gf will just try to kill me if I propose that!  :shame:

She lets me do whatever I went in terms of stuff to bring in...but there are boundaries  :read:

When I will get my new house I will make sure to have a room which is perfectly adapted to a listening room...but getting a comfortable chair for listening that's very possible and easy to do actually

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Bass traps behind the speakers wall or corners should help if you hear bass boom. Overdamped room is not very good either IMO. If  you can move your sofa or chair a bit further from the back wall,this should reduce bass boom aswell.

 

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acalex wrote:

...but getting a comfortable chair for listening that's very possible and easy to do actually....

.....if it has wheels, it will make it easier for her to push you into the hallway!   :shifty:

 

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