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Philips 55PFL8008 or something else? Confused.
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Hello all,

As some of you already know i'm looking at getting a bigger screen size this year and want a 55 inch lcd/led to replace my Sony 46HX853 and after the recent supertest in this months magazine I have been looking in greater depth at the Philips 55PFL8008 after it received such a good review in the test and my previous choice the Samsung UE55F8000 got demoted to a four star rating.

Upon further research it seems other reviews don't agree with the WHF review and have pointed to backlight clouding and a complete lack of any changes to the panel (Samsung made PSA display) or 3d performance from last years 8007 model, infact it would seem that any changes are limited to just cosmetic ones and the inclusion of being able to display content from devices such as phones and tablets. Poor performance in dark conditions and a washed out picture when viewing off axis add to the negatives of this tv although where viewing angles are concerned it's nowhere near the issues faced with the Sony W905.

I'm getting really confused as I can't find a single retailer in my area with one of these Philips tvs to demo and i'm quickly running out of a 55 inch tv that I would be happy with and am now considering keeping my 46HX853. Am I right to look at some of these other more negative reviews as being accurate or should I trust the review in WHF? Of course I want to demo the tv for myself when that is possible but for now the comments made in this review:

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/philips-55pfl8008-p15736/test.html

versus how positive the WHF review was seems very much at odds with each other making choosing my next 55 inch set very difficult, infact just getting a list together to demo is difficult.

If it wasn't for my previous bad experiences with Panasonic plasma tvs then I would of course go for a 55VT65 but I have serious concerns over gaming on another panny plasma as I had issues with this on all of my previous plasmas from them, being quite a big gamer I don't want to go through all the issues I had last time with extreme IR, one case of image burn and a weird clouding effect.

Are there any more decent 55 ich lcd/led tvs yet to come this year that might be worthy of consideration? So far I've just got the Philips and Samsung tvs on my demo list so any advice or info would be greatly received, thnk you.

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RE: Philips 55PFL8008 or something else? Confused.

That is a tough one!   :?

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RE: Philips 55PFL8008 or something else? Confused.

Could see what these say about the Philips too:

 

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1365660097

 

They should review it soon.

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Hi oldboy,

do we know what the Phillips input lag is like? This might come into play as a keen gamer and WHF reviews don't generally detail input lag.  

I've been watching the 50" and 55" inch tv scene also since I had issues with my gt50.  For a little bit wider i can get a 55" led tv while the 55" plasmas are just to big, the 55vt65 is an extra 9 cm's wider than the Sony or Phillips.  Like yourself I'm worried with the pannys and the recent history of issues with the set, but this years model's do appeal to me and I might end up taking a punt on the Panasonic again  :pray:

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Just read the review in the link, doh.....that details input lag  :oops:

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gel wrote:

Could see what these say about the Philips too:

 

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1365660097

 

They should review it soon.

Thanks gel I will keep an eye out for a review here Smile

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rocketrazor wrote:

Hi oldboy,

do we know what the Phillips input lag is like? This might come into play as a keen gamer and WHF reviews don't generally detail input lag.  

I've been watching the 50" and 55" inch tv scene also since I had issues with my gt50.  For a little bit wider i can get a 55" led tv while the 55" plasmas are just to big, the 55vt65 is an extra 9 cm's wider than the Sony or Phillips.  Like yourself I'm worried with the pannys and the recent history of issues with the set, but this years model's do appeal to me and I might end up taking a punt on the Panasonic again  :pray:

Sounds like we are in a similar position here but i'm far more reluctant to go back to a Panasonic plasma than you by the sounds of it, I had far too many issues just getting one that worked correctly in the first place not to mention the various issues after purchase so I just can't bring myself to give one another chance no matter how good the reviews are. That is what caught me out last time, great reviews, looked great in the showroom and even better on paper but in the real world it just didn't serve me well with awful IR problems no matter what I done and I always had a feeling of dread using it for gaming just wondering what images would be left behind or what issue would arise and such I just can't go back to panny plasmas.

In stark contrast my purchase of the Sony 46HX853 has been a polar opposite, no issues from day one and still on the first tv...all I want is a 55 inch tv of equal quality picture and reliability but that seems very hard to acheive this year. Of course I will keep looking and audition as many sets as possible but right now I wouldn't part with my current Sony until i've seen the Philips in action and more sets are reviewed and released. Are there any other Sont tvs at 55 inch due for release this year that might be worth considering I wonder :?

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RE: Philips 55PFL8008 or something else? Confused.

There is the model down, w805 that has a different screen so the off axis viewing won't be so bad but the input lag will be worse.  Can't find a good review though yet.

how did you find the change from plasma to led.  I watched the football the other day on a friends samsung 7000 series from last year and wasn't that impressed.  Ironically i taped the game and watched some again on the plasma and although I have the vertical banding, aside from that the plasma picture I thought was leaps and bounds better.  Also so some material on a friends Phillips LCD the other day which I thought was good when I first saw it, it now looks awful compared to my plasma.  I really dont know what to do   :?

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Hmmm will look out for reviews of the 805 and see how it fares, there is also an 807 model but there seem to be no difference between the two and surprisingly they both use passive 3D tech which stinks of LG sourced panels which haven't fared well in the past.

I found the switch to LED painless but then I got lucky and bought one of the the best LED screens I have ever seen. At the time I got it I waxed lyrical about it but I remain very happy with it indeed. After my panny plasma I was expecting to have similar feelings to those you experienced when viewing the Samsung and Philips sets but that proved unfounded as my HX853 is superb and stacks up very well next to my old plasma. It has superior contrast, a sharper image and inky blacks...of course black insight isn't quite as good but it's very close and I don't feel short changed at all, add realistic skin tones and colours and an uncanny knack with motion and it's hard to fault.

I thought it would be jarring to go to LED but once set up and calibrated carefully I've been completely sold and all memeroies of those awful issues I had with panny plasmas have gone and I don't miss the plasma screen at all, of course nothing is perfect but any issues are minor. In a dark room the Sony loses it's black levels slightly so it can't compete with plasma here, it's a bit washed out off axis and the best PQ is front right in front of it and some minor DSE but none of it is an issue for me. I don't view in a dark room, sofa is face on to the tv so viewing angle not an issue and the DSE is never an issue i'm drawn to.

I do crave a bigger screen though and after seeing the 55VT65 in action my mind did start thinking about returning to plasma BUT I would be very careful this time and go to the likes of John Lewis to purchase it so I could be sure I could return it easily without hassle if it turned out to be a story of same again this year. I would be far less patient too, two sets and i'm out of there to get a refund or something else but most of all I just don't want to go through all that again.

So confused right now :wall:

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RE: Philips 55PFL8008 or something else? Confused.

I think the only difference is the colour of the frame, 805 is black, 807 is silver/grey

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RE: Philips 55PFL8008 or something else? Confused.

Good spot! :clap:

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Cheers,

hdtvtest gave your tv 32ms input lag, digital versus gave the Phillips 33ms, however they have a 10ms difference for the vt65 hdtvtest at 22 and DV at 32.  If there is 10ms difference it might cause an issue with the Phillips having to high an input lag at 43ms?

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I've not seen a figure of 43ms quoted for the Philips anywhere but if that's true then I couldn't live with that I don't think. At 33ms it's pretty much the same as my current tv so it wouldn't be an issue, now i'm wondering if the Philips has a game mode and what that does for the lag input figures? My Sony is very noticeable between the game mode and any other mode, COD is much more responsive and as I use a dedicated Fanatec CSR wheel and pedals set up with a Gameracer driving seat rig for driving games input lag is a concern as I don't want to go backwards from my current tv.

Questions, questions, questions and yet more questions...I think only auditions are going to weed out the weak from the strong here plus some feedback from owners. Good job I can bide my time and make an informed decision, I'm looking forward to some feedback of how the 55VT65 performs in the real world as any issues would certainly put me off. Has the 50hz bug been laid to rest once and for all do you know??

Many thanks for your input rocketrazor as it's certainly helping me consider all the angles :cheers:

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RE: Philips 55PFL8008 or something else? Confused.

46" review here

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Philips-8000-Series-PFL8008-46PFL8008-55PFL8008-42PFL8008-42-46-55-Inch-LED-LCD-3D-TV-Review_520/Review.html

they say the input lag might cause an issue for serious gamers, 50ms

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Many thanks for the link :grin:

So after a read through two things concern me, the clouding and input lag. That's the second review to mention the clouding visible in dark scenes and is starting to really concern me, the input lag is mentioned as high but no figures are given as to the actual amount of lag but in every other respect it seems a really good tv and I will audition it asap.

They did mention a forthcoming 9000 series later in the year though so perhaps this will eliminate some of the issues in the 8008 such as the clouding as it seems they think it will carry full array backlighting, I will wait with interest to see if it improves on the 8008 but I would expect the price to be high if it has full array backlighting. Again it's mentioned that the backlighting is a bit of a lottery so it may be possible to get a good example of a 8008 but a potential 9000 series would peak my interest if the price wasn't too high.

Will look out for stock of the 8008 to arrive then get out there and audition for myself, for now it remains on the list.

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RE: Philips 55PFL8008 or something else? Confused.

Input lag is on the 2nd tab, although they also give the vt65 42ms for input lag. It's certainly worth an audition

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