Good idea about acoustic panels ellisdj! Although a bit reluctant due to aesthetics I have actually looked at a few before, but never gotten around to it. The livingroom is still a work-in-progress since I moved just last fall so we'll see. Your points about room treatment is still dead-on!
I don't like wall-mounting TV's or speakers on walls so that's not an option. The height of the TV itself is now pretty darn perfect for viewing purposes though, and the front "wall" of sound is not as low as one might think by viewing the pictures - the soundstage is actually quite tall and wide (Apex are good at that). But again, it is somewhat of a compromise nonetheless.
Current A/V equipment:
NUFORCE AVP-18 (processor/DAC) | NUFORCE MCH-300SEC7 (multichannel amplifier) | MONITOR AUDIO APEX (5.2 speaker system) | SAMSUNG LE-52B755 (tv) | DENON DBT-3313UD (disc transport) | NAIM UNITISERVE (music server) | SUPRA (cabling) | LOGITECH HARMONY 900 (universal remote) | NORDOST PULSAR POINTS (isolation feet)
I have always gawked at people who have their TV's high up on a wall above a fire place or similar and thought that is silly, how can you watch that.
I am often proven wrong in life - my cousing put his 50 panny on the wall quite high up, so that my eyes are under half way up the screen witha slight angle down
Now thats a bit too high for me, however once you are used to watching it like that it does give the image a different sense of depth and drama - more film / cinema like and when I got back to watch my screen lower it felt off at first - I then straight away raised my tv to the top of the stand Atacam Equinox AVI.
Its only when you experience other things does it make you second guess what you thought was 100% right - well it does with me - picture, sound all the same. Listening to the system at what hifi done it for me - I am in the process of more room layout changes and acoustic panel design / making.
The more you read up about it - the more it makes sense - much more sense than digital eq which is the next best thing for sure, especially in the bass.
I am hoping to combine both to get somewhere close to what I heard in the what hifi demo room.
There is a sig on another forum I use that I like - Open Mind Open Ears
Meridian G61R, HD621, Bryston 9BSST
Optimised Audio PC - J River / JPlay / Custom Full Linear Power Supply
Panasonic 65VT65, Marantz UD7007, HIFi Racks Podium Reference
Monitor Audio GX100, GXC150, Apex A10, BK XLS400 (set with hard knee house curve)
JCAT USB and Sata, Graham Slee Spatia (SC) Graham Slee Lautus Digital / Analogue IC x 9
"Its only when you experience other things does it make you second guess what you thought was 100% right"
In general I do tend to agree with that. Darn those stubborn preferences!
One thing you might consider. A heavy(ish) curtain across the room to zone off the watching position, just pull it across for serious watching that way you've effectively got a regular shaped more manageable space.
How far apart will the front speakers be ? It might be ok to go without a centre but this would be personal preference and need trialling, if you do go with a Centre personally the closer to the tv the better.
Would you consider a stand mounter like the GX100, unless you have a vast space I think stand mounts + sub can sound better than floorstanders for HC. Also they do two centres in the GX range, the GXC350 or smaller GXC150.
A curtain could be an option indeed, on my current set I can't say i'm experiencing a lot of "sound loss" so to say but worth to keep in mind. There's not a whole lot of light coming in from the outside normally so no heavy curtains on the windows to dampen the sound. Floor is a rather flat carpet so not much issue there either. The front's are about 2,6m apart, a bit to far i reckon to go without a centre.
The GX serie is indeed lovely but I'm affraid it'll be well above budget for 5.1... For the RX I already had to stretch my budget
I don't think stand mounts will work in the room, my interior is rather minimalistic with 30's~60's modern design classics and imho a more basic approach with floor standers or small floating speakers like the Apex will work better With more space between the audio cabinet and speakers it can work but its a bit too packed for stands, maybe in a next appartment :)
Thanks for the input!
Pioneer SC2022 | Monitor Audio 5.1
After another round of testing I decided to go for the Apex, they are great indeed! I really love the looks and the fact they're rather small and therefore much easier to position.
Sadly though in the meantime my LX75 died on me so I'll have to wait untill a solution is found for that (hopefully something in the lines of a LX76 offer ;)) If it's going to be a refund I will have another listening session with the Denon and Onkyo aswel as I can see Audyssey could be rather helpfull in regards to the sub.
In that line, the Yamaha 2010 was an option aswel with the RX earlier. Any idea how Yamaha's YPAO system compares to Audyssey?
Excellent choice Laurijs! Naturally, as an Apex owner I'm glad you went this route. I kinda had a feeling you would. Please come join us over at The Apex Club thread and feel free to post some photos of your set-up once installed. Rest assured, we'd love to see it!
Really it's too sad about your Pioneer. I don't know what's happening but recently I've had a close friend subjected to the same issue with his new (LX85) receiver and I've read recent similar reports by other owners across the web aswell. Likely just coincidences, but a little spooky nonetheless. But hey, it's electronics - anything can and does indeed happen. I hear many people dig Yamaha and YPAO with Apex, I've yet to test that combo myself. I have written about my experience of Audyssey over at The Apex Club thread however. Again, it's a matter of preference, but I love it. One very important factor that I think people often forget, is a function included in Audyssey called 'Dynamic EQ' - an advanced loudness feature that none of the other competing calibration and EQ-systems offer (not to be confused with 'Dynamic Volume'!). In my room, at the volume I play at it is an impeccable feature that brings wonderful overall balance to the entire soundstage.
Read more about it here if you wish: http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/dynamic-eq
Best of luck with your installation & congrats again to a great choice!
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