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but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

 

Though of course you quite regularly tell people to travel hundreds of miles to the AVI factory for a demo. Following on from your logic, are you now going to stop recommending AVI unless the people live with tens of miles of the factory? No, I thought not. 

 

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Love to know why 'he' was banned. Surely simple common sense comments from Jim & others should close this rediculous thread.Nah!

Since its not closed..... Anyone have actives in 5.1 config? I'd be interested in pix to see how they look and experience of their performance in this role

Yamaha V2065. MS Mezzo 5.1 Panasonic 42. Sony BD. Garrard 86SB. WD Live TV. SkyHD.

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/home-cinema/lounge-hc-signature-update-bass-traps

 

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RobinKidderminster wrote:

RobinKidderminster wrote:
Love to know why 'he' was banned. Surely simple common sense comments from Jim & others should close this rediculous thread.Nah!

Since its not closed..... Anyone have actives in 5.1 config? I'd be interested in pix to see how they look and experience of their performance in this role

 

Probably the same as any normal 5.1 just with a power cable as well as the signal cable going to the speakers ROFL

Not sure why it would make any difference....

 

One problem you do have is if the speaker uses an un-balanced 'low level' connection, you run the risk of long lengths for the signal cable that may pick up hum when routed round the room, rather than a high level signal from the amplifier.

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Overdose wrote:

but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

 

Though of course you quite regularly tell people to travel hundreds of miles to the AVI factory for a demo. Following on from your logic, are you now going to stop recommending AVI unless the people live with tens of miles of the factory? No, I thought not. 

 

There are however AVI users in many other parts of the country who have frequently offered to demo their own speakers to those who can't get to the factory or to the (very) few dealers who carry them.

This is why I would encourage those who are seriously thinking of buying AVI speakers to join AVI's own forum. There is a much better chance of making such contacts and - maybe - saving a lot of time and petrol if one of their members live nearby. IIRC the AVI forum has a PM facility where such arrangements can be made in private.

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That's right. 

I've demoed my ADM40s at my home. 

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RobinKidderminster wrote:

RobinKidderminster wrote:
Love to know why 'he' was banned. Surely simple common sense comments from Jim & others should close this rediculous thread.Nah!

Since its not closed..... Anyone have actives in 5.1 config? I'd be interested in pix to see how they look and experience of their performance in this role

 

my TV room is pretty small and I went from a Monitor Audio 5.1 to active 2.1. I thought the MA Was great but the actives mean I don't miss it. 

My real wish though is to set up a proper cinema room, when I've paid the mortgage off next year I m thinking of converting the loft for that purpose (c. 40x25 into eaves). It means I can go back to 5.1 (or more) in real comfort. 

PI think Actives will be my preferred option, and I'd like to hear some from different manufacturers, I'd also like to know if anyone does an active 5.1 set, although I'd be quite happy putting one together. 

Pthe pp is right, in terms of cabling 5.1 actives is at least as complex as passive and could be regarded as more so because of the number of sockets required. 

 

I hope to be able to put up a HC build thread some time next year. 

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jjbomber wrote:

Overdose wrote:

but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

 

Though of course you quite regularly tell people to travel hundreds of miles to the AVI factory for a demo. Following on from your logic, are you now going to stop recommending AVI unless the people live with tens of miles of the factory? No, I thought not. 

 

I've done no such thing, although I am open to being shown evidence to the contrary. Smile

I would always advise a demo if at all possible and in the case of AVI speakers, simply point out that some owners are happy to let people listen to their own speakers as a means to a demo. People could always buy blind, but careful research might be needed and a strong dose of faith.

In my case I didn't bother with a demo, as I took the standpoint that they were everything that I needed from a new pair of speakers. They were ideal for my needs on paper and almost every review and owner opinion pointed to an excellent product. There is an almost complete absence of bad feedback regarding the speakers and I have owned other active speakers previously, so knew more or less what to expect.

I was not disappointed. So I shall continue to advise that people seriously consider the AVI products, in particular the ADM9s, as to my mind, they are superb, not withstanding the fact that as an almost complete system, they offer almost unparalled value for money.

They are an excellent solution to a lot of peoples requests for advise as they offer a complete package and sit in the price bracket that is considered to be midrange. From mint used at around £750 they cover a lot of bases at a wide price range.

It seems that there is more nosie from an anti AVI standpoint and almost exclusively from people whom have never heard the product. I'm not sure where all the bitterness comes from really, as the most forthright contributors on the Pro AVI side of the discussions have not been on the forum for some time.

If someone states that they like a product and then recomends it to someone on that basis, what have you to offer to the contrary? If it is conjecture and prejudice born from your own lack of understanding, then you bring nothing of any worth to the discussion table.

So all I can say is, grab yourself a ceremonial gown, bring along some incense candles and join in the fun. You never know, you might like it Blum 3

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At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

 

Apparently you can join the cult and then one of the members will happily let you into their home to listen to their system. Not sure what they'll say when you take your own system in to compare it to. Once you've managed that, then you can post the results on here. 

 

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lindsayt wrote:

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Well that's about as convenient as going to one of the aforementioned hifi conventions.

I would love to have the time to sit down and listen to various pieces of equipment, but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

It is quite difficult logistically, to arrange a representative selection of equipment to be listened to in any one place and in the same listening space, even more so to do it whilst removing subjective bias.

I suspect that you would no more enjoy the ADMs as the ADM owners would enjoy your speakers, because that is the sound that the respective owners have become acustomed to.

 

Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

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Mate, I don't think the cult thing has anything to do with it, only some users are recommending the AVIs randomly  without bothering to read what the posters want.

No conspiracy either - why would AVI want to have anything to do with something like that ? Sales are good, from what one reads, and that'd be the only possible reason.

 

Replying to jjbomber, by the way.

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Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

I'd entertain pretty much anyone, but they'd need to leave the furniture behind. I have a pair of  fairly compact bookshelf speakers for a reason. Wink

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BenLaw wrote:

Overdose wrote:

lindsayt wrote:

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Well that's about as convenient as going to one of the aforementioned hifi conventions.

I would love to have the time to sit down and listen to various pieces of equipment, but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

It is quite difficult logistically, to arrange a representative selection of equipment to be listened to in any one place and in the same listening space, even more so to do it whilst removing subjective bias.

I suspect that you would no more enjoy the ADMs as the ADM owners would enjoy your speakers, because that is the sound that the respective owners have become acustomed to.

 

Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

 

I believe he did offer. Read the text after the bold print. 

 

Note: that bold highlight is very misleading as it ignores the fact that he mentioned auditioning at their houses as an option.

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Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

I'd entertain pretty much anyone, but they'd need to leave the furniture behind. I have a pair of  fairly compact bookshelf speakers for a reason. Wink

 

The problem is that would make the entire excercise pointless, as Lindsay wants to be able to compare his speakers directly against AVI. 

 

Also, he maintains that AVI owners are reluctant to hear his setup, but are quick to dismiss it.

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Ajani wrote:

BenLaw wrote:

Overdose wrote:

lindsayt wrote:

At the moment we have a number of AVI owners that are eager to make pro-AVI postings on this forum, but so far they are remarkably reluctant when it comes to comparing their speakers against mine when presented with easy opportunities either at my place in Yorkshire, or at Scalford or even at their own homes.

Well that's about as convenient as going to one of the aforementioned hifi conventions.

I would love to have the time to sit down and listen to various pieces of equipment, but as with most people, travelling hundreds of miles to do so, is not an attractive proposition. If it were a matter of a couple of tens of miles, no problem.

It is quite difficult logistically, to arrange a representative selection of equipment to be listened to in any one place and in the same listening space, even more so to do it whilst removing subjective bias.

I suspect that you would no more enjoy the ADMs as the ADM owners would enjoy your speakers, because that is the sound that the respective owners have become acustomed to.

 

Why doesn't Lindsay arrange to come to OD's house?

 

I believe he did offer. Read the text after the bold print. 

 

Note: that bold highlight is very misleading as it ignores the fact that he mentioned auditioning at their houses as an option.

 

Oh yeah, wasn't meant as a criticism, I was trying to encourage an arrangement being made. Anyone else who has 9s & sub or 40s who could temporarily accommodate the wardrobes? I would be most interested to hear the results (in particular an AVI owner's take on the SQ of the wardrobes in absolute terms, ignoring the practicalities). 

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

Mate, I don't think the cult thing has anything to do with it, only some users are recommending the AVIs randomly  without bothering to read what the posters want.

No conspiracy either - why would AVI want to have anything to do with something like that ? Sales are good, from what one reads, and that'd be the only possible reason.

 

Replying to jjbomber, by the way.

 

While I'm reluctant to use the word 'conspiracy', as I believe a number of the members pushing AVI are legitmately recommending the product (and many don't even understand where all the Anti-AVI sentiment comes from), I wouldn't rule it out completely.

 

The reason most of us on this forum know about AVI's ADM9 series and ADM40 is not from a series of great reviews from HIFI mags or even adverts in those mags, it's because of lots of controversial AVI threads on this forum in the past. Loads of over-the-top claims and frankly spamming of the forum with AVI related posts. Much like viral advertising. So AVI's business model is based on word of mouth, rather than ads or pro reviews, meaning they need their customers to spread the word and continue to do so if they are to maintain good sales levels. 

 

 

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