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There is nothing wrong with  HiFi related Clichés IMO , they are just part of the poetry that describes the sound of a HiFi system or even a piece of music . Smile

 

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moon wrote:

Overdose wrote:

AVI ADM9T speakers are the best. (Well, apart from the 9RSSs, oh and the ADM40s)

Wink Blum 3

Hey, is yours a desktop system? Shame the CA doesn't have a remote, would be very useful 

Moon, forgive my ignorance.  What is CA, please?  Thanks.

Cambridge Audio. (The DacMagic in Overdose's signature.)

Thank you for that, most decent of you.   :cheers:

Apple lossless - Netgear Nighthawk - ATV3 - AVI ADM 40.  

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A few on this thread are confusing cliché with falsehood -- i.e. "is that cliché or is it true?" Clichés are typically well worn statements because they're truisms.

I logged on to post a short, cliché-ridden review of my new CDP, though I'm having second thoughts after reading this thread (and allegations of hackneyed writing on another thread yesterday).

I'll compose a brief review, but since a number of cringe-inducing superlatives spring to mind, I'll need to take great care with the language used.  

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A few on this thread are confusing cliché with falsehood -- i.e. "is that cliché or is it true?" Clichés are typically well worn statements because they're truisms.

I logged on to post a short, cliché-ridden review of my new CDP, though I'm having second thoughts after reading this thread (and allegations of hackneyed writing on another thread yesterday).

I'll compose a brief review, but since a number of cringe-inducing superlatives spring to mind, I'll need to take great care with the language used.  

I for one would like to read your cliché-ridden post. 

Clichés may be annoying, but removing them all would result in very (very) short, boring meaningless descriptions. eg. "This CDP is good enough to deserve a recommendation"......or "This amp performs poorly compared to others in its price range."

 

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So, without these 'Cliches', how do you expect to describe a system, item or affect on a system, interstingly or to make any sence . . . you are putting down the wonderful coulour of the English language.

I, may not be mutch cop at it, but I do love the 'expresion' of those that are.

. . . take it with a pinch of salt and enjoy! . . . CJSF

it was just for fun Smile

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I for one would like to read your cliché-ridden post.

You may be the only one, but here goes, replete with

clichés...

For the uninitiated, this is a mini-review of the Teac PD-H600 CDP.

Some back story is probably useful, since I've expressed frustration and disappointment with several very recent AV purchases. I won't go into details, though I no longer have concerns about my new AVR, which sounded hard and sibilant but has softened following a factory reset, avoidance of YPAO auto-calibration, some careful manual tweaking and perhaps some bedding in. Now, on to the Teac...

I took delivery early this morning, connected everything up and have let it do its thing ever since. This is where the back story becomes pertinent. Recent feelings of disappointment have been replaced by a sense of enthusiasm and satisfaction.

This is an outstanding CD player. It has transformed my system's performance with music (though I was using a cheap BDP as a CD transport before). There's no need for adjustment. Connected to my amplifier via analogue to take advantage of the Teac's DAC, I simply switch the amp to Pure Direct, hit play and beautiful sounds emerge from my speakers.

First of all, the level of detail produced is astonishing (to my admittedly non-audiophile ears). I'm hearing details and layers of sound in well worn CDs I've never heard before. Bass is taut and articulate. The top end is crisp yet never veers toward brightness. Everything in-between sounds rich, balanced, composed and revealing. Most importantly, the sound is never muddled. Individual instruments and other musical elements sound clear and precise. Timing is perfect. The sound is dynamic when needed, too, though never fatiguing.

For comparative purposes, I did some A/B testing with the Teac and BDP. The difference between the two is significant. I of course expected the Teac to noticeably outperform the BDP, though I didn't expect such dramatic results.

I'm inclined not to get too carried away, especially after seven hour's listening. In the coming weeks I'll become more familiar with the 600's performance with a wider range of music. For now, however, this feels like a moment of pay off following more than a month's anxiety. I’m sure the 600 sounds considerably better again through a dedicated stereo amplifier and I almost feel it’s an insult to run it through my AVR. Unfortunately, until I have room for a separate stereo set up, that’s where it’ll have to stay. 

It's also beautifully and solidly constructed; the 600 looks and sounds high-end. Every aspect of operation feels smooth and classy, right down to the remote. With the exception of the Golden Ear Award, I don't think the 600 has received the acclaim it deserves, which perhaps explains why it's now available at heavily discounted prices. 

Any negatives? It only plays CDs and MP3s. The front display is a little small and hard to read (but I've switched this off anyway). That's about it. I'd urge anyone in the market for a new CDP with a budget of £200-300 to track one down. Overall I'm delighted and confident I'll remain so.

I'll go easier on the adjectives next time!

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"Flabby overblown bass"

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strapped for cash wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

I for one would like to read your cliché-ridden post.

You may be the only one, but here goes, replete with

clichés...

For the uninitiated, this is a mini-review of the Teac PD-H600 CDP.

Some back story is probably useful, since I've expressed frustration and disappointment with several very recent AV purchases. I won't go into details, though I no longer have concerns about my new AVR, which sounded hard and sibilant but has softened following a factory reset, avoidance of YPAO auto-calibration, some careful manual tweaking and perhaps some bedding in. Now, on to the Teac...

I took delivery early this morning, connected everything up and have let it do its thing ever since. This is where the back story becomes pertinent. Recent feelings of disappointment have been replaced by a sense of enthusiasm and satisfaction.

This is an outstanding CD player. It has transformed my system's performance with music (though I was using a cheap BDP as a CD transport before). There's no need for adjustment. Connected to my amplifier via analogue to take advantage of the Teac's DAC, I simply switch the amp to Pure Direct, hit play and beautiful sounds emerge from my speakers.

First of all, the level of detail produced is astonishing (to my admittedly non-audiophile ears). I'm hearing details and layers of sound in well worn CDs I've never heard before. Bass is taut and articulate. The top end is crisp yet never veers toward brightness. Everything in-between sounds rich, balanced, composed and revealing. Most importantly, the sound is never muddled. Individual instruments and other musical elements sound clear and precise. Timing is perfect. The sound is dynamic when needed, too, though never fatiguing.

For comparative purposes, I did some A/B testing with the Teac and BDP. The difference between the two is significant. I of course expected the Teac to noticeably outperform the BDP, though I didn't expect such dramatic results.

I'm inclined not to get too carried away, especially after seven hour's listening. In the coming weeks I'll become more familiar with the 600's performance with a wider range of music. For now, however, this feels like a moment of pay off following more than a month's anxiety. I’m sure the 600 sounds considerably better again through a dedicated stereo amplifier and I almost feel it’s an insult to run it through my AVR. Unfortunately, until I have room for a separate stereo set up, that’s where it’ll have to stay. 

It's also beautifully and solidly constructed; the 600 looks and sounds high-end. Every aspect of operation feels smooth and classy, right down to the remote. With the exception of the Golden Ear Award, I don't think the 600 has received the acclaim it deserves, which perhaps explains why it's now available at heavily discounted prices. 

Any negatives? It only plays CDs and MP3s. The front display is a little small and hard to read (but I've switched this off anyway). That's about it. I'd urge anyone in the market for a new CDP with a budget of £200-300 to track one down. Overall I'm delighted and confident I'll remain so.

I'll go easier on the adjectives next time!

 

It's all very well written, but unfortunately I liked the beginning and the end but not the middle!  Wink Glad you're happy with your new purchase (and perhaps have a bit more faith now after a few stressful ones of late), keep us updated as you settle into it  Smile

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I liked the beginning and the end but not the middle!  Wink

I'm upset now Ben. I knew this was an inappropriate thread to indulge my pretentious side. :doh:

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For the uninitiated, this is a mini-review of the Teac PD-H600 CDP.

I'm delighted you are happy....so the source can make a susbstantial then!  :shifty:

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So the source can make a susbstantial then!  :shifty:

Via analogue interconnects, in this case. I haven't tested the Teac as a transport yet (and compared its performance with my BDP in this regard). Sounds like a weekend project...

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BenLaw wrote:

I liked the beginning and the end but not the middle!  Wink

I'm upset now Ben. I knew this was an inappropriate thread to indulge my pretentious side. :doh:

 

:grin: Sorry, didn't mean to upset or indeed offend you. I genuinely enjoyed the backstory and conclusion, and cliche-ridden or not the review part was also well written. It's nothing personal, I'm just deeply disillusioned with all subjective reviews at the moment. As I say, and the most important thing, I'm very glad you're happy with the CDP  Smile And also genuinely look forward to some more thoughts from you as you progress with it and perhaps try some of those CDs that have been suggested.

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Don't worry, no genuine offence was taken. I was acutely aware that I was being more than a little verbose!

The thing is, the mini-review is an accurate description of my day's listening. As mentioned above, perhaps the critical factor is that I very purposefully used analogue inter-connects, allowing the CDP's digital to analogue converter to do its thing.

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oh dear im hearing "muddy" bass, give me some "authorative" speakers anyday haha ROFL

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