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RE: Chord Chorus2 Vs. Tellurium Ultra Black

How do you go with the vast amount of anecdotal evidence saying people do hear differences? Are 90% of hifi geeks wrong?

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How do you go with the vast amount of anecdotal evidence saying people do hear differences? Are 90% of hifi geeks wrong?

90% ? ROFL

Most people say that they can hear minimal or no difference between cables. All of the people that do say they can hear differences are the people who compare cables in a sighted tests.

 

People just don't hear differences between cables in blind comparisons though. :?

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What percentage of hifi enthusiasts take these blind tests - 1%? .1%?

I've never done blind tests (except for wine), have you?

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altruistic.lemon wrote:

How do you go with the vast amount of anecdotal evidence saying people do hear differences? Are 90% of hifi geeks wrong?

Anecdotal evidence? If you accept that, I can introduce you to some people who will convince you that prayer works as does homeopathy.
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What percentage of hifi enthusiasts take these blind tests - 1%? .1%?

I don't know (and I don't make up random statistics either).

 

altruistic.lemon wrote:

I've never done blind tests (except for wine), have you?

Yes I have and didn't hear a difference.

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8 months since the thread opener and ..................

 

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steve_1979 wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

What percentage of hifi enthusiasts take these blind tests - 1%? .1%?

I don't know (and I don't make up random statistics either).

 

altruistic.lemon wrote:

I've never done blind tests (except for wine), have you?

Yes I have and didn't hear a difference.

But you would think not many, would you agree with that?
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RE: Chord Chorus2 Vs. Tellurium Ultra Black

steve_1979 wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

What percentage of hifi enthusiasts take these blind tests - 1%? .1%?

I don't know (and I don't make up random statistics either).

 

altruistic.lemon wrote:

I've never done blind tests (except for wine), have you?

Yes I have and didn't hear a difference.

Hi,

I have done blind listening tests and heard differences, my wife has been in the other room and has heard differences. I have even had an engineer come to my place who didnt believe cables make a difference and now he convinced.

Enjoy the music.

Cheers

Steve. 

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How do you go with the vast amount of anecdotal evidence saying people do hear differences? Are 90% of hifi geeks wrong?

 

It's more to do with the terminologuy they employ to describe the differences they heard.  Night and day is a favourite.  More air is another.  Greater space.  Deeper blacks.  A range of adjectives that mean absolutely nothing when it comes to detailing what someone means.  

My own personal favourite came about thanks to this magazine.  Back in 2007, they listed Van den Hul's "The Name" in the buying guide.  It sort of went something like "this cable will transform your system...stunning dynamics...." on the single line entry.  £60 for a 1m pair.  I'd been using a pair of Audioquest Turquoise interconnects for years beforehand, with my then Linn Mimik CD player and a Marantz PM-6010KI amp.  Bought them.  Plugged them in.  The lack of the transformation and supposed dynamism just had to be heard to be (not) believed.  Went through all my reference tracks, The Yes Album's Starship Trooper, Genesis' Mad Man Moon and Entangled, and a good few others.  

Nothing to do with hard of hearing, there are no magical properties in any of this.  It's down to descriptions, what people hear, how they are influenced and finding common terms that everyone understands and can apply equally across the board.  Air, Space, Night and Day and many others don't do that job as these things differ from one person to the next in the context in which they're used.

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Might as well close the thread.

 

The 'my wife heard a difference' comment has come out.

 

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stephennic wrote:

steve_1979 wrote:

altruistic.lemon wrote:

What percentage of hifi enthusiasts take these blind tests - 1%? .1%?

I don't know (and I don't make up random statistics either).

 

altruistic.lemon wrote:

I've never done blind tests (except for wine), have you?

Yes I have and didn't hear a difference.

Hi,

I have done blind listening tests and heard differences, my wife has been in the other room and has heard differences. I have even had an engineer come to my place who didnt believe cables make a difference and now he convinced.

Enjoy the music.

Cheers

Steve. 

Ahhhhhh...... The other half from another room.

Conclusive evidence indeed...... :?

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Ahhhhhh...... The other half from another room.

Aye the best ears of the lot. Its normaly 'Turn that effin row down' in my house. 

Of course I never do , I just shout " borrux get on wi yer gardening".

 

Ah sorry , forgot that this is a really interesting wires thread.  :roll:

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It's funny the number of cable sceptics who just happened to be passing by a friend's house and walked in.  

I might ring the office of national statistics to find out what the figures are for accidents caused by wives going back to their tether point in the kitchen just as the sceptical mate walks in the living room door. 

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That's nothing. When my wife heard the new audiophile fuses I'd installed she rose up out of her wheelchair and began to dance. 

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The only occasion I can recall Mrs DDC saying something interesting about the hi-fi was a few years ago when I was listening to a Prom concert on Radio 3.

She came into the room and asked what the bl**dy awful music was, she said is was terrible, like someone had died.

It was of course Faure's Requiem.

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