Thanks for the info, as you are using Naim with your Roksan do you think you are losing some of the component performance by not matching it with a Naim amp ?
I am very aware of getting sucked into the world of Naim, did you try other streamers/dac's with your amp before you settled on Naim (apart from the NAD)
I have heard the Clic on two demo's with the Roksan and thought it sounded great on both occasions, easily out performing the dacs I was listening to.
Thanks again for the reply.
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I would be using just as a dac/streamer connecting the components mentioned and feeding into the Caspian for all amp duties.
Ok cool.. I know it wasn't in this reply but you seriously don't need to worry about 'loosing performance' as it's not matched with other Naim components thats total BS.. Source and Amplifier sections are completley seperate and you may not get the 'synergy' you want but thats for your ears to tell.. The phono connection is more than good enough. The only time i'd say that is a valid point would be if you used a Naim pre Amp with a different power amp which could def compromise performance (it may not even be possible as they use weird connectors between them) and this is why I asked how you would use the 172xs.. I found the ND5 a no brainer once I heard it and compared with others but as said you may be happy with one considerably cheaper..
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Thanks for that, will see how the demo goes.
The guy who said this didn't stock Roksan but he could still try and sell me the Naim for £500 more than the Clic.
Unless I head to the midlands again is going to be difficult for me to demo the Naim/MF with the Caspian but I want to check how it all works and sounds.
Not many dealers seem to stock Roksan and Naim in London,the other point as stated earlier is a fear of getting Naim'd could be expensive.
Sevenoaks stock all three and have a few stores around London.. Again don't believe all this get 'naim'd' nonsense like it's some crazy addiction.. You're buying a source.. A streamer.. Naim and Linn IMO are the only two choices at this price point.. If you like the Naim streamer, you buy it, you install it, you enjoy it.. There are upgradable options yes.. The power supply can bring good upgrades but that doesn't mean you have to rush out and buy one.. I may buy one in a few years if I upgrade the rest of my kit if I feel the performance justifys the cost. The DAC IMO is pointless because it defeats the object of the all-in-one box that works so well and the digital output only goes to 96khz.. Either way it sounds amazing as it is and there's no NEED to upgrade at all.. So don't let that even be a facor.. I didn't get along with the Naim amp sound at all and I almost didn't try the streamer as I wasn't so keen, but boy am I glad I did! Same with Linn a lot of people don't like their amps but love there DS's.. Your spending a lot of cash you should do a side by side if you can.. I'm sure there's at least a few shops in london that stock those items..
Well am planning to listen to MF alongside the Naim this week and see if the Naim justifys the extra outlay, have also heard from someone who may be able to bring a Naim to my house to work with my set up which would be fantastic.
Will find out if he can get his hands on one tomorrow.
I was very underwhelmed with the xs amp when I heard it, esp. as I thought the 5i was a cracker but the xs was not a big enough improvement but I do like the Naim sound so I shall find out by the end of the week.
It is a shame the Linn will not work out for me as am very keen to hear the ds and there is a dealer near me who does Linn and Naim but don't want to get tempted into silly money.
Sevenoaks don't do the naim streamers just mainly the uniti range as was onto them earlier.
Thanks again for all the feedback, much appreciated.
Are you ready to buy second hand? I have a good friend of mine who is selling his Majik in perfect conditions for 1300 euro. The second hand market for Linn DS streamer is very active and you can get a great deal if you know where to look and have patience. I might ask my friend if his Majik is still available. I was getting that before I was offered a even sweeter deal on the Akurate DS...
If you like the Naim sound you should hear the superuniti.. I was really impressed with it.. Big step up from there other integrateds IMO and I think the streamer DAC section isn't far off the ND5.. If you could find one second hand/ ex dem you'd have an all-in-one solution that you can add your digital inputs too.. Just a thought to throw a spanner in the works
Usually one is drawn to either the Linn Sound or the Naim sound...so it's worth hearing both through a system as close to what you are going to use as possible.
Though saying that, there are people who have Linn Streamers on Naim systems, and vica versa.
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did you try other streamers/dac's with your amp before you settled on Naim (apart from the NAD)
Not losing performance IMO, just sounds different. The Caspian seems to have a more extended top-end than the Naim amps I had before, plus I like the coherence of an integrated. I've heard the Supernait several times and just didn't care for it.
I had a Squeezebox for ages and it sounded OK but really needed to go into a good DAC. It didn't work for me into the Naim one. Oddly it sounded brilliant into the DAC section of a top-end Denon SACD player (which I didn't buy). Other than that, I have a Marantz MCR603 upstairs which I occasionally plug into the system, and am thinking about the Pioneer.
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Well, looks like the new Naim V1 dac may fit the bill perfectly, can't wait to hear one, has all the connectivity I need.
Will also fit better into my rack, wonder when stock will be available ?
Looks like it won't be available for a few months, will have to be patient.
Naim DAC-V1. It's impossible to keep up!
I suspect this may sound a bit mid-fi ...but interesting they've finally (finally) got on the USB-B wagon. Why not before? Also interesting to see how the headphone amp compares to the Headline (though of course there's no analogue input here).
They have it listed in their classic series and using the same processor as the naim dac so it doesn't appear mid fi to me , as have not heard that I shall just have to wait and see but fits the bill on paper, I will be able to compare with the Clic but the naim looks like a strong contender for what I'm looking for.
I am sure it will be better than the mdac that was my original choice mind you it costs twice as much, will have to wait and hear.
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