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TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

Hi all,

My current system consists of a Panasonic DMP-BDT110 bluray player, Pioneer DA-565A SACD player, Panasonic 50" P50GT30B TV , Pioneer DVR 545HX dvd recorder , sky HD box, xtreamer media player, mission m74 and m71 speakers and of course the Onkyo TX-NR709 av amp.

Firstly the sound quality from any source in digital surround is excellent and Im quite happy with it.

But the stereo setting and direct setting on the amp from any source including usb is terrible.

Ive tried different analogue, coaxial, hdmi and optical cables, different settings on the amp, updating the firmware, factory resetting and nothing works.

Is this "normal" for this ampifier? 

My old Yamaha DSP-AX630SE AV AMP was outstanding in comparison.

Any help or suggestions would be appriciated

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Mick

 

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

Could you elaborate on "terrible" a bit? It's not giving people much to go on.

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

Sorry - tinny, flat not much depth, distant etc

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

Your Onkyo is an av receiver. It's primary job is home cinema.

You need a 2 channel stereo amplifier. Simple.

No AV receiver will ever match a dedicated stereo amp.

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

The 09 range were vastly improved for music over older Onkyo models - it could be a setting issue. Are the front left and right speakers set to large or small?

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

Thanks for the replies

There is no small or large setting - only normal or bi-amp.

As regards to buying a dedicated stereo amp - if I was truly anal about it -maybes

but this amplifier should play decent stereo with ease.

Like I said my old yamaha amp played stereo no problem.

 

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

I'd change the speakers first.

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bonjov wrote:
There is no small or large setting - only normal or bi-amp.

There will be settings for small or large for all of the speakers. If you haven't found the section of the menu that changes basics like this, then I'm all the more convinced your problem is a set up issue.

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

Mick,

I don't know if TX-NR709 is same or better spec than the TX-NR609 which I have owned for almost 18 months. I bought it because I thought it could play 192Khz sampled audio. On playing back CD and comparing the SQ against a vintage Pioneer 2ch amplifier, I found the TX-NR609 to sound quite wooly. After a lot of playing around with the speaker & input setting, I have found the SQ to be very good.

I have ripped most of my CDs to FLAC and some Hi-res downloaded tracks on my laptop and playing them all through the receiver DLNA, I am very satisfied. I gave up playing via USB as it never measured up to the SQ.

It does not play 192Khz audio but does well up to 96khz audio.

I hope this helps.

William

 

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

bonjov,

Had an email from Onkyo, which is concerned about the problems you've been having. Are you happy for me to pass on your email address to the company so it can investigate further?

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

I dnt think the problem you are having has got anything to do with AV AMP for music compared to a two channel amp for music. Your amp may just not be good at doin 2 channel music.. Some AV AMPs are very good at two channel music.  DO 2 channel amps sound better with music?... Yes.. But i Use AV Amp for music cause i dnt think the difference in sound quality is really much to worry about.

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

I have the US model TX-NR707 bought last Chrimbo for the knock-down price of just 500 bucks.  Stereo sound isn't brilliant but I think in my case that may be as much to do with the Klipsch Reference 42 speakers (only 4-inch cones) as much as the receiver.

That having been said, I echo everyone else's comments that sourround sound receivers are built first and foremost for surround sound AV with stereo playback as a legacy offering as much as anything else.  In the past I've usually hooked up the line out outlets from the receivers to the Aux channel inputs on my stereo amplifier and used my stereo to drive the front speakers, even when watching DVDs and Blurays.  It makes using the set-up a little bit more tricky - the kids can do it but the wife can't - but at least that way I don't have to have two pairs of front speakers and I get decent stereo and surround sound.

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

I have the TX-NR609 hooked up to MA BX2's - these sit next to my Mission/Rega HiFi in the same room - so it it easy to compare directly. Whilst my HiFi sounds a lot better, clearer, good soundstage, more engaging, I would not describe the sound from the 609 as terrible. It's an 'enveloping' sound in surround-sound mode, and a little clearer and focused using the Pure Audio mode. 

I mainly use the 609 in music terms for listening to Internet radio and some streaming - in both cases the sound is fine and certainly not terrible - as others have suggested - maybe a set up issue? I've not really done much with the set up as it sounded fine almost straight out of the box. 

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

bonjov,

I would like to add a bit more to what I said in my previous post.

Probably you have already done this, but if not, you could try this very basic first time setup.

1. Menu>Speakersetup>Speaker Configuration>Suwoofer NO, Cnntre NONE, Surround NONE. This leaves Front Full Band. This should give you good 2ch stereo. I cannot differentiate any SQ between a CD track played on Cambridge Audio 650BD or the same track ripped to FLAC played via the Receiver DLNA.

My fronts are IMF TLS80 MkII Transmission Line speakers and lows go down to 20 Hz and highs beyond audibility and are quite revealing.

William

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RE: TX-NR709 - Poor stereo sound quality

ear wrote:

I'd change the speakers first.

Would be interesting to know why you feel they're the weak link when he's clearly happy with their sound when they're being driven by what he feels his his older-but-better Yamaha amp.

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FYI As a test I replaced the

FYI

As a test I replaced the Onkyo with the old Yamaha amp and Voilà, Stereo. Aslo 6 channel sound at the press of a button (for my sacds).

Note no fancy setting up or scrolloing through sub menus - straight out of the box.

All amps should sound at least 90% without any fiddling about.

So for replacing the speakers - no comment

As for passing my email onto Onkyo - yes please (thanks Andrew)

As for its a setting issue - probably right - Ill have another go, but Im sure I tried wtaylorbasil's suggestion.

As for large/small speaker settings please download the manual and find this setting :^)

I also appreciate that stereo amps would sound better than AV amps but the Yamaha amp simply sounds miles better than the Onkyo playing stereo.

Also the PL II music setting (3.1) on the Onkyo is a vast improvemnent over the stereo setting. But it aint stereo ie 2 speakers

PS I havent gave up on the onkyo yet BTW

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