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Denon DL110 Moving Coil Cartridge vs Sumiko Black Pearl MM

Just thinking of the future, as I'm tight and my Elys 2 still has some life left in it.

After doing some research on the tinternet came up with these two as possible replacements.

All suggestions and opinions welcome.

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RE: Denon DL110 Moving Coil Cartridge vs Sumiko Black Pearl MM

I have not heard the Sumiko but I would personally go for neither of these (not too fond of high output moving coils in this range) I'd plump my money on a Shure M97xe.

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Alears wrote:

I have not heard the Sumiko but I would personally go for neither of these (not too fond of high output moving coils in this range) I'd plump my money on a Shure M97xe.

Only a suggestion. Smile

you seem to be up on carts!

what would you put on an RP6? something under £300?

 

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Alears wrote:

I have not heard the Sumiko but I would personally go for neither of these (not too fond of high output moving coils in this range) I'd plump my money on a Shure M97xe.

Only a suggestion. Smile

Cheers that is actually on my short list but am intrigued by these two

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RE: Denon DL110 Moving Coil Cartridge vs Sumiko Black Pearl MM

It is near impossible to get someone to let you audition a cartridge. You are going to have to bite the bullet and buy one. Whatever you end up getting you should bear in mind that, if you don't like it you can always sell it on at very little loss.

If you do happen to live near a friendly dealer you should lose even less if you take it back to him to try something else.

 

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Alears wrote:

I have not heard the Sumiko but I would personally go for neither of these (not too fond of high output moving coils in this range) I'd plump my money on a Shure M97xe.

Only a suggestion. Smile

you seem to be up on carts!

what would you put on an RP6? something under £300?

 

You don't say what your ancilliary equipment is, apart from the RP6. Do you mean to buy only a new cartridge? Pressumably you would be looking at a Moving Magnet type, or do you own a phono preamp that would allow you to use a moving coil?

 

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Alears wrote:

It is near impossible to get someone to let you audition a cartridge. You are going to have to bite the bullet and buy one. Whatever you end up getting you should bear in mind that, if you don't like it you can always sell it on at very little loss.

If you do happen to live near a friendly dealer you should lose even less if you take it back to him to try something else.

Cheers, I know its a odd thing about cartridges they make a big difference but can understand to lack of demo available,

thats one of the reasons for the thread to get different opinions before I dive in.

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Alears wrote:

It is near impossible to get someone to let you audition a cartridge. You are going to have to bite the bullet and buy one. Whatever you end up getting you should bear in mind that, if you don't like it you can always sell it on at very little loss.

If you do happen to live near a friendly dealer you should lose even less if you take it back to him to try something else.

i have it going into a Brio R phono stage

 

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Alears wrote:

It is near impossible to get someone to let you audition a cartridge. You are going to have to bite the bullet and buy one. Whatever you end up getting you should bear in mind that, if you don't like it you can always sell it on at very little loss.

If you do happen to live near a friendly dealer you should lose even less if you take it back to him to try something else.

Cheers, I know its a odd thing about cartridges they make a big difference but can understand to lack of demo available,

thats one of the reasons for the thread to get different opinions before I dive in.

If you have good rapport with a dealer they'll let you try different carts, if you can spare the time that is. Before buying mine they tried a Ortofon first.

FWIW, the ClearAudio, so my Rega dealer says, will work a treat with Rega TTs.

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stevebrock wrote:

Alears wrote:

It is near impossible to get someone to let you audition a cartridge. You are going to have to bite the bullet and buy one. Whatever you end up getting you should bear in mind that, if you don't like it you can always sell it on at very little loss.

If you do happen to live near a friendly dealer you should lose even less if you take it back to him to try something else.

i have it going into a Brio R phono stage

 

I guess that means low output moving coils are out. Try to find a good dealer who might let you try cartridges if you can but my guess is you are looking for a good 'general purpose cartridge' (unless you only listen to one particular genre of music / or purely mono recordings / or (unlikely) only have 78 rpm vinyl!).

For you money you should be looking at a good quality Moving Magnet or, at a push the Dynavector  10x5.

If this is the case I would suggest:-

Grado Reference Platinum 1

Goldring GL2500

or, probably the best all-rounder I have heard that is still going, and that is the Goldring G1042.  :grin:

 

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or, probably the best all-rounder I have heard that is still going, and that is the Goldring G1042.  :grin:

That one keeps coming up mmmmm

 

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Alears wrote:

or, probably the best all-rounder I have heard that is still going, and that is the Goldring G1042.  :grin:

That one keeps coming up mmmmm

I used one for 11 years on a Rega Planar 3 (with two stylus replacements as it got used quite a bit).

Gorgeous sound regardless of it being a MM.  A true classic.

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andybeau wrote:

Alears wrote:

or, probably the best all-rounder I have heard that is still going, and that is the Goldring G1042.  :grin:

That one keeps coming up mmmmm

I used one for 11 years on a Rega Planar 3 (with two stylus replacements as it got used quite a bit).

Gorgeous sound regardless of it being a MM.  A true classic.

Cheers I've got about half a dozen in mind as replacements from £70 to £230

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Well after speaking to Peter@Cymbiosi, demo of carts are totally out of the question - they make about £50 on a Dynavector 10x5!

I guess its a suck it an see approach!

Im totally spent up on my hifi fund now.......however i did buy a Purple Wool mat for my RP6 - think it will go well with the yellow Exact!

 

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RE: Denon DL110 Moving Coil Cartridge vs Sumiko Black Pearl MM

Probably will not be that bad..... when hidden beneath a piece of black vinyl. :grin:

 

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Alears wrote:

Probably will not be that bad..... when hidden beneath a piece of black vinyl. :grin:

I think it will look cool.......and obviously will sound better  Wink

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