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Fair enough, but it would be good if you could point out the other options - the wireless Dynaudios, for example, or the other active speaker options.

In this instance, the Dyns might be more suitable, since you could then locate the turntable where you wanted with the controller next to it, no need for messy cables everywhere.

 

  Do we know if Relocated has heard the speakers you mention ? If he has then I would have thought he would have suggested them if he thought they were worth recommending ( I have no opinion as I haven't heard them ), and if he hasn't , then is it realistic to expect him to recommend a product he is not familiar with ? 

   He has suggested a product he is familiar with and thinks would be worth considering . As always , it is up to the OP to sift through the replies and make his own mind . Please don't start another active/passive , AVI/against the whole World argument as it has become seriously tedious . Thank you .

 

Thank you Shropshire Lad.  Mr Lemon and I have had enough discussions that he should absolutely know why I say what I do.

I do not go around wasting retailers time by auditioning things I am never going to buy; so that I can tell people what I thought about something I heard in unfamiliar surroundings for a few minutes or more.  What is the point of that?  Info on everything available new and second-hand is available on the web.

What I do tell people is, as you Shropshire have pointed out, what I can recommend based on ownership and love of a particular product.  As well as the relevance of my opinion based on 40 years of being fervently interested in hifi and having spent far too much money on it in the past.

To the OP, I would recommend that you still look at a decent Direct Drive turntable as an alternative to belt drive.  When I was keen on vinyl [a long time ago] I owned a Technics SL10 parallel tracking D/D turntable and it was never bettered by any belt drive that I heard or had owned.  

 

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Good luck with your system. I don't want to start a vinyl v. digital debate, but I'm amused by the fact that in my early 'hi-fi' days, vinyl was the only choice (discounting cassette tape!) and much time, money and effort was spent setting up tracking weight, bias, compensation, not to forget the need for cleaning and prevention of static with pops & clicks audible whatever steps were taken. Of course if the type of music being played makes any pops and clicks inaudible (ie; loud!) then that's not a great issue. I used to use a reference record (HI-Fi Sound if I recall) and remember going through each track adjusting my arm and cartridge for the best sound. 

I remember though when the CD came along and all of a sudden such problems disappeared together with quick and easy track selection by remote control and I was thrilled, relieved and liberated. I could play it in my car and on my portable CD player as well! 

What goes around comes around eh? 

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Thank you Shropshire Lad.  Mr Lemon and I have had enough discussions that he should absolutely know why I say what I do.

I do not go around wasting retailers time by auditioning things I am never going to buy; so that I can tell people what I thought about something I heard in unfamiliar surroundings for a few minutes or more.  What is the point of that?  Info on everything available new and second-hand is available on the web.

What I do tell people is, as you Shropshire have pointed out, what I can recommend based on ownership and love of a particular product.  As well as the relevance of my opinion based on 40 years of being fervently interested in hifi and having spent far too much money on it in the past.

To the OP, I would recommend that you still look at a decent Direct Drive turntable as an alternative to belt drive.  When I was keen on vinyl [a long time ago] I owned a Technics SL10 parallel tracking D/D turntable and it was never bettered by any belt drive that I heard or had owned.  

 

So that would be a "No", then?

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Biffta wrote:

Good luck with your system. I don't want to start a vinyl v. digital debate, but I'm amused by the fact that in my early 'hi-fi' days, vinyl was the only choice (discounting cassette tape!) and much time, money and effort was spent setting up tracking weight, bias, compensation, not to forget the need for cleaning and prevention of static with pops & clicks audible whatever steps were taken. Of course if the type of music being played makes any pops and clicks inaudible (ie; loud!) then that's not a great issue. I used to use a reference record (HI-Fi Sound if I recall) and remember going through each track adjusting my arm and cartridge for the best sound. 

I remember though when the CD came along and all of a sudden such problems disappeared together with quick and easy track selection by remote control and I was thrilled, relieved and liberated. I could play it in my car and on my portable CD player as well! 

What goes around comes around eh? 

if you want consistently good sound for vinyl records in everyday use then the above is all true. It is my experience that many vinyl 'enthusiasts' are into some sort of retro or nostalgia trip and although I do not put you into that category i would be wary of advice from this direction.

A record 'player' (turntable, arm, cartridge) is a mechanical device and as I said above, good engineering is important and expensive. I know it is no longer fashionable but spending most of the budget on the player is probably a good idea in this case. 

Obviously your local dealer should be your first stop but few appear really interested in record players these days, if you have issues with their compedence then I would point you at products like Rega (RP6) and Clearaudio (Concept or Concept MC) which come complete and virtually ready to use. See if you can find a (UK?) dealer who is helpful on the phone and get one mail ordered. 

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Hello.

A vinyl only system???. Nice!!!.

May I make 1 humble suggestion please?

When you come to choose your speakers I think a closed box design will be better for you due to the possibility of acoustic feedback which MAY cause excessive cone wobble with reflex ones.

 If you can stretch to the budget maybe ATC SCM11s or even 19s. Good LF response and a nice tight sound due to their design. Would be interesting to see what Chebby and Drummerman think on this point.

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Which reminds me of a point I meant to make but didn't.

Low frequency feedback can ruin a system's performance, it is easy enough to check by observing the movement of the bass cones. There are a number of ways to limit the impact that this has, including a suitable turntable support.

Also as Richard points out this will be much more apparent (and distructive) with ported speaker designs and the use of a closed back type may well help. Personally I am an advocate of limiting the sub bass response of the amplifier with a well judged hi-pass filter, the old rumble switch in fact. Talk to the manufacturer of the phono stage or amplifier.

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Nice suggestion by Richard. I'd also suggest his EB2's (as he obviously cannot recommend them himself) as another closed-box design.

As far as floor-standers go it will take a lot more money to beat a pair of Epos Epic 5's.

 

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davedotco wrote:

Obviously your local dealer should be your first stop but few appear really interested in record players these days, if you have issues with their compedence then I would point you at products like Rega (RP6) and Clearaudio (Concept or Concept MC) which come complete and virtually ready to use. See if you can find a (UK?) dealer who is helpful on the phone and get one mail ordered. 

@ Nicky

FWIW. I have been dealing with Lyric since the early 80s, where I bought Rega Planar 2 / Rega Planar 3 / Linn Sondek, over a period of 12 years......all supplied and set up by them. Michael (original owner) is still there, so (ime) you would be in safe and knowledgeable hands

David from Kronos is much the same (started in 1991), but I've only been dealing with him for 5 years or so.....also highly recommended.

Ardhowen are relative new comers, who I met at the NI Audio show, and got a good vibe, but have never delt with them

Moores have a reputation as being very straight forward and also been around for a good while (since 1967!).......I've only spoken to him on the phone.

Clooney are probably the best dealer in ROI.

EDIT. Lyric, Kronos and Ardhowen were featured at the NI Audio Show, which was covered here over 3 pages (in case you are interested): http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/12/11/2010/the-northern-ireland-audio-show-2010-part-one/

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My last two turntables have been bought secondhand, but off other hi-fi forums ( HiFiWigwam and AOS respectively) and were both expertly packed by the sellers, and arrived in immaculate condition. I think if you went down that route, buying from real enthusiasts who value their equipment and treat them and you with respect, then that is a far safer bet than Ebay IMO.

 

 

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CnoEvil wrote:

davedotco wrote:

Obviously your local dealer should be your first stop but few appear really interested in record players these days, if you have issues with their compedence then I would point you at products like Rega (RP6) and Clearaudio (Concept or Concept MC) which come complete and virtually ready to use. See if you can find a (UK?) dealer who is helpful on the phone and get one mail ordered. 

@ Nicky

FWIW. I have been dealing with Lyric since the early 80s, where I bought Rega Planar 2 / Rega Planar 3 / Linn Sondek, over a period of 12 years......all supplied and set up by them. Michael (original owner) is still there, so (ime) you would be in safe and knowledgeable hands

David from Kronos is much the same (started in 1991), but I've only been dealing with him for 5 years or so.....also highly recommended.

Ardhowen are relative new comers, who I met at the NI Audio show, and got a good vibe from them, but have never delt with them

Moores have a reputation as being very straight forward and also been around for a good while (since 1967!).......I've only spoken to him on the phone.

Clooney are probably the best dealer in ROI.

EDIT. Lyric, Kronos and Ardhowen were featured at the NI Audio Show, which was covered here over 3 pages (in case you are interested): http://www.adventuresinhifiaudio.com/12/11/2010/the-northern-ireland-audio-show-2010-part-one/

That's good to know Cno, i have had some dealings with Lyric and Chronos in times past, good to see they are keeping up the good work.

Not really the case in my neck of the woods, mainstream dealers are of little use for serious vinyl users and the more specialist dealers have restricted product ranges at, what is for them, the budget end of the spectrum. Rega dealers are usually a decent bet, but again their range of competing product is often quite narrow.

If a good dealer is available, that would always be my first choice but I have been put off by some poor dealer experiences in recent times when I have asked about items and setups that are a little off the mainstream.

 

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I started the process by blindly buying a Rega RP6 w/ Exact cartridge in green. Now it's time for me to put some serious thought into amp & speakers. I saw someone else who posted about how great the RP6 w/ a Brio R and Rega Speakers is, but my budget is now a little higher and I am wondering what I should do next with limited amount of dealers (that are also quite far away). 

Right now I'm looking at Naim Nait, KI Pearl Lite, Roksan Kandy, Brio R, and possibly considering waiting until I can try out the Rega Elicit R when it comes out. I'm also leaning towards the Kef R500's.

Has anyone had any experience with any of those amps and speaker combination? 

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I started the process by blindly buying a Rega RP6 w/ Exact cartridge in green. Now it's time for me to put some serious thought into amp & speakers. I saw someone else who posted about how great the RP6 w/ a Brio R and Rega Speakers is, but my budget is now a little higher and I am wondering what I should do next with limited amount of dealers (that are also quite far away). 

Right now I'm looking at Naim Nait, KI Pearl Lite, Roksan Kandy, Brio R, and possibly considering waiting until I can try out the Rega Elicit R when it comes out. I'm also leaning towards the Kef R500's.

Has anyone had any experience with any of those amps and speaker combination? 

Congrets on the green RP6 !!!

Now i think you're moving in the right direction!  :cheer:

I didn't like Nain 5i i found it to cold, analitic...  :?

The Elicit R is on the verge of being presented, I think some time in June( it was told by my Rega dealer, he was at Rega factory last week)! It is a dual Brio R (100w at 8ohm), all the sound signature was kept, but with some improvements. He showed me lots of photos from the Elicit R production.  Dirol

And you can throw into the mix some Dynaudio speakers or KEF R range, and why not demo the RS5...

 

Have FUN !  :cheers:

 

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You have a great TT, but my advice is still to come North for a listening session......it's the safest way.

Where did you buy the Rega?

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I actually ordered it through Lyric Hifi and was planning to go up this Tuesday but I may hold off until the elicit r is released. Lyric has KEF speakers and amp wise I think they have the Naim Nait,  Linn Majik I,  A19 and maybe the Brio r. 

I'm kind of finding it difficult that there doesn't seem to be any places that would have everything I would like to try under 1 roof or even a string of shops within distance. Obviously online stores have everything,  but I'd really like to get a system that works well together as opposed to relying on reviews. 

I guess that's the reason why I've taken to this forum for advice. 

 

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Good, I thought it would probabily have been Lyric.

If you don't hear something that hits the spot, Kronos have a good selection of amps (Musical Fidelity, Roksan, Electrocompaniet, Peachtree etc...speak to David / Gary)

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