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acalex wrote:

 Anyway I don't care as the difference is evident...  party time!

You will be told it's expectation bias....but now you know why I go on about cables. The mains cable may bring even more improvement, and I will be intrigued in Siltech vs Shunyata (huge reputation).

If you have access to Atlas, you should try the Mavros.

Some people find the source responds best to a more expensive mains cable, but I have found that (especially high current) amps respnd better. FWIW. I got very little (if any) difference with  the DS (probably due to its Dynamik power supply) - again, I will be waiting to see what you find.

Next, it will be Rob's turn.....he needs to try some; especially a m/c on the 35i.

Yes, expectations of course  cheer

Seriously the difference is so evident that I am wondering if the previous interconnects were correctly plugged and not inverted for example...which I know they were not. Again, this is probably the sinergy with speaker cables also. Something I noticed when swapping the interconnects is that at louder volumes everything became smoother and a few sibilances have goon completely...now is really enjoyable to low and louder volume.

I am also very curios now to what the two power chords will bring to the mix...for this need to wait a little as the Siltech was in order and should be arriving in a few days. The Shunyata will be taken next week. For now Francis gave me a KE power chord plus, apparently a product made in Holland. Still haven't tried to connect it.

For the phonostage I was also thinking about a Clearauido power supply which has a rechargeable battery inside and should provide with a steady DC tension to the phono stage, do you thing this might bring an improvement also?

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For the phonostage I was also thinking about a Clearauido power supply which has a rechargeable battery inside and should provide with a steady DC tension to the phono stage, do you thing this might bring an improvement also?

At a guess, I would say yes....but this is now outside my sphere of experience. You have a great dealer that will allow you to try stuff, which is invaluable.

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For the phonostage I was also thinking about a Clearauido power supply which has a rechargeable battery inside and should provide with a steady DC tension to the phono stage, do you thing this might bring an improvement also?

At a guess, I would say yes....but this is now outside my sphere of experience. You have a great dealer that will allow you to try stuff, which is invaluable.

Indeed, after this all experiencing with cables is over I will take home the Hydra power distributor from Shunyata and also this power supply for the phonostage to see if anything changes/improves.

Seriously Cno I cannot tell you how I am enjoying the turntable this morning...is like everything was lifted and I can finally hear what the system is capable of...every time a new instrument kicks in I have to stop whatever I am doing. I called Rob and said him to come just to make sure I am not fool  puzzled

The disc "I wish - Tok Tok Tok" is just amazing...basses are so full and round and not at all overwhelming...

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Indeed, after this all experiencing with cables is over I will take home the Hydra power distributor from Shunyata and also this power supply for the phonostage to see if anything changes/improves.

Seriously Cno I cannot tell you how I am enjoying the turntable this morning...is like everything was lifted and I can finally hear what the system is capable of...every time a new instrument kicks in I have to stop whatever I am doing. I called Rob and said him to come just to make sure I am not fool  puzzled

The disc "I wish - Tok Tok Tok" is just amazing...basses are so full and round and not at all overwhelming...

Yup! shifty

...and this is exactly why I was encouraging you to try the 35i with Cardas cables, before coming to a decision......not that you now don't have the right system atm, for your taste.

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Indeed, after this all experiencing with cables is over I will take home the Hydra power distributor from Shunyata and also this power supply for the phonostage to see if anything changes/improves.

Seriously Cno I cannot tell you how I am enjoying the turntable this morning...is like everything was lifted and I can finally hear what the system is capable of...every time a new instrument kicks in I have to stop whatever I am doing. I called Rob and said him to come just to make sure I am not fool  puzzled

The disc "I wish - Tok Tok Tok" is just amazing...basses are so full and round and not at all overwhelming...

Yup! shifty

...and this is exactly why I was encouraging you to try the 35i with Cardas cables, before coming to a decision......not that you now don't have the right system atm, for your taste.

Now I fully understand everything you were telling me! Wink

Anyway the AMS wouldn't have been welcomed by the OH like the Jadis, so in the end it was a win-win situation for everybody! Can't do anything else this morning, I just want to sit and listen...unbelievable the amount of detail that is coming out of vinyls...

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Now I fully understand everything you were telling me! Wink

Anyway the AMS wouldn't have been welcomed by the OH like the Jadis, so in the end it was a win-win situation for everybody! Can't do anything else this morning, I just want to sit and listen...unbelievable the amount of detail that is coming out of vinyls...

On a different tack, any word on Rob's Avalons.  puzzled Cool

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acalex wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

acalex wrote:

Indeed, after this all experiencing with cables is over I will take home the Hydra power distributor from Shunyata and also this power supply for the phonostage to see if anything changes/improves.

Seriously Cno I cannot tell you how I am enjoying the turntable this morning...is like everything was lifted and I can finally hear what the system is capable of...every time a new instrument kicks in I have to stop whatever I am doing. I called Rob and said him to come just to make sure I am not fool  puzzled

The disc "I wish - Tok Tok Tok" is just amazing...basses are so full and round and not at all overwhelming...

Yup! shifty

...and this is exactly why I was encouraging you to try the 35i with Cardas cables, before coming to a decision......not that you now don't have the right system atm, for your taste.

Now I fully understand everything you were telling me! Wink

Anyway the AMS wouldn't have been welcomed by the OH like the Jadis, so in the end it was a win-win situation for everybody! Can't do anything else this morning, I just want to sit and listen...unbelievable the amount of detail that is coming out of vinyls...

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acalex wrote:

Now I fully understand everything you were telling me! Wink

Anyway the AMS wouldn't have been welcomed by the OH like the Jadis, so in the end it was a win-win situation for everybody! Can't do anything else this morning, I just want to sit and listen...unbelievable the amount of detail that is coming out of vinyls...

On a different tack, any word on Rob's Avalons.  puzzled Cool

Rob's Avalons are connected, he is also experiencing some overwhelming bass reflection...I guess a few more adjustements will be required on his side also Smile

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Rob's Avalons are connected, he is also experiencing some overwhelming bass reflection...I guess a few more adjustements will be required on his side also Smile

This has been my worry.

There are several alternatives.....but the ones that may prove most effective are to to with isolating them from the suspended floor, and possibly treating the room.

Cheaper way: Auralex Grammer + Granite

Expensive way: Track Audio Isolation stands and / or room treatment (after it's been measured).

 

Playing with positioning, cables, room acoustics and components should all help. His apartment had a problem with the previous speakers, so introducing more bass is only going to exacerbate the effect.

It's all too easy to panic, especially with the money that has been spent, but even an ingrained problem should be sortable.

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Alex, here are some nice pictures from a Sonus Faber factory tour. From a swedish hifi forum. It starts off with pictures of the city, Vicenza, and continues with pictures from the factory. Try google translate if you want to be able to understand the comments.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10222&st=0

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Alex, here are some nice pictures from a Sonus Faber factory tour. From a swedish hifi forum. It starts off with pictures of the city, Vicenza, and continues with pictures from the factory. Try google translate if you want to be able to understand the comments.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10222&st=0

Wow!

It's easy to see where the inspiration comes from, when looking at the starting pics.

Great Link.

Cno

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If Roby's having to use the Avalons without the spikes, I'm sure that won't be helping the base problem either.

Mac

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If Roby's having to use the Avalons without the spikes, I'm sure that won't be helping the base problem either.

Mac

Indeed, but he needs an extra help to position the speakers on the spikes!

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egoBen wrote:

Alex, here are some nice pictures from a Sonus Faber factory tour. From a swedish hifi forum. It starts off with pictures of the city, Vicenza, and continues with pictures from the factory. Try google translate if you want to be able to understand the comments.

http://www.euphonia-audioforum.se/forums/index.php?showtopic=10222&st=0

Amazing link, thanks a lot!

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I just wrote an email to the distributor of Black Ravioli for Benelux, I might get some demo products shipped to Francis' shop...let's hope!

Francis has similar product of a brand called Symposium but they don't look as nice as the BR and they are not cheaper either  shame on you

http://www.technologyfactory.eu/index.php?item=symposium-fat-padz&action...

 

More will follow on vibration eaters...my girlfriend just went mad for this product and she decided we need to get two to sit on the speakers  banging head against wall