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Analogue cables affect sound(but for the most part to such a small extent as to be inaudible)

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Cable makers sometimes show measurements for both analogue and digital cables. They find images where the signal looks more intact or smoother, or for digital cables where it has a bigger 'eye' where the signal varies between a 1 and a 0. They then suggest that makes for a better signal and improved SQ.

 

But, as you say the differences are inaudible and the suggestion of a link to SQ is like claims about build quality or materials used. There is no established connection between any of that and SQ.

 

 

 

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Covenanter wrote:

I like this stolen from an article on another thread:

“Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by its own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for me..”

 

This is CraigM (of this and other parishes)'s signature.

Not any more.  I still agree with it though. Smile

I'd also like to say I agree with all of idc's posts and like the manner with which he has made them, but because this has been such a polite thread I'll avoid any further contribution. Wink

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fr0g wrote:
I have to just say, this has been possibly the most polite "cable" debate ever!

Not bad considering it started out as a thread about support materials.

Indeed. And thus the use of quotation marks Monsieur Everard Smile

 

 

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Thanks for all the + 1s and support Smile

 

 

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Thanks for all the + 1s and support Smile

Even the Leader of the Opposition appreciates your polite and measured response!

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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Even the Leader of the Opposition appreciates your polite and measured response!

Who?  :?

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CnoEvil wrote:

Even the Leader of the Opposition appreciates your polite and measured response!

Who?  :?

ME! :shifty:

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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Indeed. And thus the use of quotation marks Monsieur Everard :)

I see, but don't get the French salutation, M. Grenouille.

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Thanks for all the + 1s and support Smile

 

 

 

What about the 0s? Or is this a high jitter thread?

 

 

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I salute Idc!

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fr0g wrote:
Indeed. And thus the use of quotation marks Monsieur Everard :)

I see, but don't get the French salutation, M. Grenouille.

Poirot,  Clouseau...:)

 

(I guess you need to be inside my brain, John Malkovitch style, but that would be quite messy in all probability).

 

 

 

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First, I would like to thank idc for some very interesting posts.

Personally, I think regardless of ones position in the ongoing debate concerning scientific and technical aspects of cables in relation to perceived sound quality, the pricing model adopted by certain companies is hard to justify.

There is no luxury market for cables, only a ludicrous one.

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AL13N wrote:

First, I would like to thank idc for some very interesting posts.

Personally, I think regardless of ones position in the ongoing debate concerning scientific and technical aspects of cables in relation to perceived sound quality, the pricing model adopted by certain companies is hard to justify.

There is no luxury market for cables, only a ludicrous one.

 

Beg to differ but there is, much in the same way as there is for watches, cars, holidays, yadder, yadder.  If a company pitches itself in the luxury end of the market, irrespective of the product, it has to charge the going rate.  Is a Breitling any more accurate than a Sekonda?  The way those products are pitched at their target market (in this case audio cables) is more than just the benefits or otherwise of the interconnect.  

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the record spot wrote:

AL13N wrote:

First, I would like to thank idc for some very interesting posts.

Personally, I think regardless of ones position in the ongoing debate concerning scientific and technical aspects of cables in relation to perceived sound quality, the pricing model adopted by certain companies is hard to justify.

There is no luxury market for cables, only a ludicrous one.

 

Beg to differ but there is, much in the same way as there is for watches, cars, holidays, yadder, yadder.  If a company pitches itself in the luxury end of the market, irrespective of the product, it has to charge the going rate.  Is a Breitling any more accurate than a Sekonda?  The way those products are pitched at their target market (in this case audio cables) is more than just the benefits or otherwise of the interconnect.  

Ah, but do the likes of Breitling claim that their watches are more accurate? And, a Brietling will be different, in looks, materials, build and operation. A speaker cable is a length of wire covered in plastic or whatever, and there is no reason why one should cost more than another, so paying up to hundreds of times more is ludicrous, IMO.
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Indeed, in your opinion.  There's no reason why a Breitling should cost £7500.  Presumably it is ludicrous too, no?  And if it isn't why not?  It's the same tired old diatribe.  If a manufacturer wants to pitch itself at that market space, and I had a quick look at the Cardas site which produces pricey wires, and on the pages I saw, they make no claim about being "more accurate".  But they do sell their wires at a premium price.  Good luck to them.  People should be free to make their choices, an in informed manner without being ridiculed for doing so.  

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