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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

Hi all , The speakers I have I like so thats debatable whether better speakers would give me a better stereo sound , its first and foremost a sound whch I want from my cd player as thats the source of my music , using GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT PHRASE.                                                                                        . Whether I can get the best sound possible from my amp in stereo is another , using analogue direct mode is too bright , and I have to switch to 2 channel and have the subwoofer help with the bass , It does make a big difference and brings a little more balance to the whole sound.

My family share this system and thats where the compromises start I have to please everyone.

For the outlay on the system I have tried to keep eveything at a reasonable price level , main outlay was actually the amp ,cd player next expensive followed by the speakers and cabling .

Just want to know for future reference best way of getting a really good musical stereo set up , all be it from an AV amp.

Please also note the awrd the amp won here at WHAT Hi - Fi , STEREO being a typical good performance was what as said.

So have I reached the pinnacle that this system has to offer , or start a complete upgrade path costing shed loads , before I see  improvement. Smile

 

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

Hi all , The speakers I have I like so thats debatable whether better speakers would give me a better stereo sound , its first and foremost a sound whch I want from my cd player as thats the source of my music , using GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT PHRASE.                                                                                        . Whether I can get the best sound possible from my amp in stereo is another , using analogue direct mode is too bright , and I have to switch to 2 channel and have the subwoofer help with the bass , It does make a big difference and brings a little more balance to the whole sound.

My family share this system and thats where the compromises start I have to please everyone.

For the outlay on the system I have tried to keep eveything at a reasonable price level , main outlay was actually the amp ,cd player next expensive followed by the speakers and cabling .

Just want to know for future reference best way of getting a really good musical stereo set up , all be it from an AV amp.

Please also note the awrd the amp won here at WHAT Hi - Fi , STEREO being a typical good performance was what as said.

So have I reached the pinnacle that this system has to offer , or start a complete upgrade path costing shed loads , before I see  improvement. Smile

 

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

I think that went out about 10 or so years ago and may have applied to turntables but cd players are similar and you will have to spend a lot of money to get a small increase in SQ, IMHO. 

Speakers will change the sound more than cdps, just have a demo swap a few cdp around and then change the speakers. 

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I remain totally convinced that the GIGO principle is still extremely sound.

Given that the source is of the required standard then the amplifier is very much the next in terms of priority.

Different speakers may change the sound considerably but in my view this is mainly a matter of presentation, the speaker's capability is a somewhat different matter and will only be fully realised when driven by a decent amplifier.

In the OP's case the playback system is a 'family' a/v system with all the limitations that implies, not really sure there is anywhere really to go with this setup.

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Thanks BigH , But for me GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT , still stands you would'nt connect a £70 cd player to a 1k amp and speakers , so I do still stand by the phrase . 

Ugarding the cd and apeakers are going to leave me  still needing a new amp , as that surely be the weakest link then.

But then what do I buy , go for high end and be happy for years or be sensible  and always be wanting.

What was high end a while back that might make a descerning buy now .Marantz , Meridain , Naim etc

any suggestions for this line of enquiry.

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dayglowred7 wrote:

Thanks BigH , But for me GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT , still stands you would'nt connect a £70 cd player to a 1k amp and speakers , so I do still stand by the phrase . 

I think this is only true up to a point. Firstly, you can't really buy a £70 Cd player. However, the cheapest Cd player with a good amp and speakers is going to produce an excellent sound. This is proved when Andrew went back to listen to the very first Cd players from Philips and Sony and found the sound to be very pleasing, played through current high-end gear. Lacking some detail, but still very good. This is because all cd players are capable of prducing a very good sound. Your Cd player would benefit massively from a big upgrade in speakers and then amp. Finally, you could think about a better Cd player. No cd player is a garbage source, whereas a cassette deck maybe!

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davedotco - I rest my

davedotco - I rest my case. Best he just buys more 'music'

Oh and for your info cse, there is no way a good cassette deck's output can be described as 'garbage'. Smile

 

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You could also get an

You could also get an intergrated amp. A lot of amps can be used in this way but not all so use a bit of caution. This will improve the stereo sound and the front speakers will sound better when using the surround sound from your av amp. You could also go for the rotel ra12 which has loads of connections. If you don't want all the connections a rega brio r should help. A further advantage of this is that if you would like good music in a second room you just need a new pair of speakers. Finally, and most controversially, :grin: you could upgrade the cable! Many people disagree but I find that the cable can make a difference and it may be a nice stop gap to a fuller more planned (and expensive >) ) upgrade! Have fun though. £600 spent in a number of ways will make a big difference to the sound. I would shy away from a dac personally though. The weak point in the sound is currently the amp ( or possibly the speakers as I don't know what you have) so that is what I would focus on.

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Al ears wrote:
davedotco - I rest my case. Best he just buys more 'music' Oh and for your info cse, there is no way a good cassette deck's output can be described as 'garbage'. :)

Nah.

Take your girlfriend out for a few drinks and a bit of 'fun'. Try and involve some live music, even a decent pub band will do.

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Al ears wrote:
davedotco -  Oh and for your info cse, there is no way a good cassette deck's output can be described as 'garbage'. :)

Obviously not, but I'm not referring to a good cassette deck. Many average cassette decks produced an extremely underwhelming HIFI experience. I was after all around at the time.

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dayglowred7 wrote:

Thanks BigH , But for me GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT , still stands you would'nt connect a £70 cd player to a 1k amp and speakers , so I do still stand by the phrase . 

Ugarding the cd and apeakers are going to leave me  still needing a new amp , as that surely be the weakest link then.

But then what do I buy , go for high end and be happy for years or be sensible  and always be wanting.

What was high end a while back that might make a descerning buy now .Marantz , Meridain , Naim etc

any suggestions for this line of enquiry.

 

Don't know about £70 but I know of tests with Sony PS which ahve been favourable with high end gear.Also some people use BD players at around £200. IMHO there is not much between difference cd players and the best thing on a cheap mini system is usually the cdp. Anyway a cheap cdp is not gabbage usually. 

 

Actually my CDP is worth about £70 and its connected to £1,300 amp and speakers. It sounds better than many £2-3,000 systems I tried.

 

As you have AV system I would be inclined to try out a Cambridge BD player, I know of a few who have got rid of their cdp and just use that, the Oppos are similar but cost a bit more. If not I would consider changing the amp there are a few good ones around £600-£700. 

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