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Dac upgrade or New cd player

Hello , I have like many purchased a Marantz CD6004 , and while I'am very happty with the sound and quality for the given price , my question is the future upgrade path.

Is it better to by a new dac and then have the marantz used for transport duties , or upgrade to a new cd player.

I suspect that given the price of a good quality dac vs cd player , the dac may be the better option .

Have readers had good results using a dac or have you opted for a more expensive cd player.

It seems such a waste to sell a perfectly good cd player to help fund another,  when a dac upgrade may prove more useful and cost effective.

I would set a budget of around £600 for a upgrade but as yet it's in the thought stage , so gathering any help possible

But of course I 'am open to any suggestions I listen to a wide range of music  , like heavy metal , grunge and rock .

Thanks all for any help .

 

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how about selling your amplifier and cd player to fund a pm6005 - its an amplifier with built in optical / coaxial dac? (£379 from richer sounds)

just need a laptop with an optical output (can be done via expresscard soundcard)

let us know what kit you currently have as the only big question is whether it will be an upgrade to what you already have (speakers and amp).

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

Hi Ben123 ,  Well the amp is sony av one about 5 years old ,  so it's still ok , and do not really want to get rid of it as I quite like it actually. Bearing in mind it's propabaly not the best amp for stereo ,  but I cant really fund another stereo only set up .

My AV system is for family as well so thats why I have to use the Sony amp , I could sell the amp and find one thats more musical in stereo , but  I'm not sure which is best.

The cd side of the AV is for my listening pleasure so thats what I want to concentrate on . But yes I may benefit from a new amp , rather than a cd or dac.

 

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Hi, I would say upgrade the

Hi,

I would say upgrade the DAC next since its so versatile meaning you can plug other sources into it in the future.
I have a Yamaha CDS-300 cd player which has not had as good reviews as your CD player and when I decided to use that as a transporter and a £500 Rega Dac, the effect was less than minimal. So i expect you wont hear a massive difference since your cd player is meant to be better than mine. Nevertheless, having a dac for airplay, plugging in laptop and tv have all seen good improvements over sound quality. Especially the tv. I use my hifi for tv also and before I got the dac, voices were muffled and music noises were overpowering. Now however, the dac seems to have sorted my tv levels out so for that reason, im happy I got it.

It could be because I have a AS-500 amp that I cant hear the difference the dac made to my CD player. perhaps I need a more expensive amp to notice the difference?

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

dayglowred7 wrote:

Hi Ben123 ,  Well the amp is sony av one about 5 years old ,  so it's still ok , and do not really want to get rid of it as I quite like it actually. Bearing in mind it's propabaly not the best amp for stereo ,  but I cant really fund another stereo only set up .

My AV system is for family as well so thats why I have to use the Sony amp , I could sell the amp and find one thats more musical in stereo , but  I'm not sure which is best.

The cd side of the AV is for my listening pleasure so thats what I want to concentrate on . But yes I may benefit from a new amp , rather than a cd or dac.

 

You may want to consider Blu Ray players instead of the CDP, some like Oppo and Cambridge are tuned for audio and have decent dacs, of course they play BD discs and SACDs as well.

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

The DAC of the Marantz CD6004 is already very good. Great player.

I think if you want to buy a DAC to improve this player you have to buy an expensive DAC otherwise there will be no improvement I think.

Maybe the Arcam Irdac ? 

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RE: Hi, I would say upgrade the

A tricky one. If you do not have any other devices at hand that you would plug into an external DAC then I would say upgrade the CD player.

However the 6004 is very good for the money so you would have to spend a fair bit to better it, and if you do then the amp becomes a sticking point. Ho hum, I'd just spend the money on more music. Smile

Just seen the above post appear, I wouldn't buy an external DAC unless you have other devices to make use of it. i.e. laptop with hi-res files.

 

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

ok well youve introduced another problem which is getting good sounding music out of an av receiver. there are many ways ATTEMPT to do this but in my experience of faffing about i gave up and sold all my av stuff.  a 2 channel setup is a must for good music.  the av amp is holding your good cd player back. some people are happy with their av receivers 2 channel performance but i would rather recommend you an excellent setup rather than an ok one.

in your case as you need both av and hifi.  i can recommend 2 options (there are more of course).

option 1: spend lots of money on a high end arcam av reciever.  good at both music and films

option 2. keep your sony av and buy a hifi amplifer/amplifer & dac combo

of course the 2 channel system and sony av will need to be sharing one set of speakers:  normally there would be no way to do this unless you kept swapping over the speaker cables from the av amp to the hifi amp depending on use (a real pain).

I got round this by using one of these:

http://www.beresford.me/products/TC-7220.html

 

 

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

Thanks all , I do have a bluray player it is the SONY bdp 370 it's a few years old but it's also running ok , so seeno need to change that either .My palsma TV Also several years old now , sounds great through my amp and speaker set up so , I not sure If a dac is going to help if thats all I'm going to plug into it . All my speakers are from the Q Acoustics range bought when funds allowed.  

Bought AMP SONY 1200 ES  Q ACOUSTICS 1010 REARS and SONY bdp 370 from RICHER SOUNDS .

As they were the cheapest deals . Front speakers Q acoustics 10301 came from SUPERFI , and Q ACOUTIC CENTE1000i came from ebay for £17 .

So I have had to build it bit by bit but i like it . 

chord carnival siver screen speaker cable fitted yesterday to all three main speakers.

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

Thanks all , I do have a bluray player it is the SONY bdp 370 it's a few years old but it's also running ok , so seeno need to change that either .My palsma TV Also several years old now , sounds great through my amp and speaker set up so , I not sure If a dac is going to help if thats all I'm going to plug into it . All my speakers are from the Q Acoustics range bought when funds allowed.  

Bought AMP SONY 1200 ES  Q ACOUSTICS 1010 REARS and SONY bdp 370 from RICHER SOUNDS .

As they were the cheapest deals . Front speakers Q acoustics 10301 came from SUPERFI , and Q ACOUTIC CENTE1000i came from ebay for £17 .

So I have had to build it bit by bit but i like it . 

chord carnival siver screen speaker cable fitted yesterday to all three main speakers.

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

yes  BEN123 , I have considered this option a numerous times but then it's as you say switching the speakers over which yes is a real pain  , so introduce a switching box, I can't sell the AV side as it's for family and the cd music option is for me , so I guess the option is the ARCAM AV amp but which, and I may get one off ebay second hand or if funds allow new from a dealer ,

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

with the switching box you could keep your cd player and sony av amp, you would just be adding a hifi amp.  I suppose it would be a lot of boxes though.

I must admit when funds allow i will be looking at an arcam av.

just today i notived some very good pricing on arcam av amps.  how good it sounds with music is of course up for debate  Smile

http://www.sevenoakssoundandvision.co.uk/p/arcam-fmj-avr360av-receiver

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

Getting great stereo out of an AV amp is easy.  Amazed this still persists.

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

The crux of this question seems to be, will a new player costing the realisable value of your current CDP + £XXX give a better sound than attaching a DAC costing £XXX to your current CDP, where £XXX is any figure you care to think of. I suspect the answer is, 'it varies', which is not a great answer, but it's probably the truest one.

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RE: Dac upgrade or New cd player

You could get a good 2nd hand stereo amp with power amp inputs to avoid swapping speaker cables around...a £200-£400 addition probably which will be a lot cheaper than upgrading to the arcam and you're practically guaranteed to get better sound than the AV receiver currently gives you. I'm in the same boat as you with a family-first setup as a compromise, looking to add marantz pearl lite, creek a50 or arcam a19 to my set up sometime very soon (payday i hope!)

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It seems to me from your

It seems to me from your posts, that you are entirely happy with your system. Why not save your cash until you have enough to invest in better speakers. These will give a greater benefit than a DAC ever will.

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