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But surely, one doesn't need the company of another to survive?

I'm looking at the big picture here....humankind does.....meaning we are all not a luxury, even if we think otherwise.  :grin:

"We should no more let numbers define audio quality than we should let chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines."  Nelson Pass

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RE: Are HiFi products luxury items?

Is a hifi a luxury item?  That depends on the circumstances in which the question's being asked.  

In most of the western world, it can provide us with a psychological wellbeing which is essential to our lives, or at least, to living a happy and productive life.  

If, on the other hand, your circumstances are a little more dire, then yes, it's a luxury item.  We can get by without a hifi fine.  Might not like it, but there's no question hifis are additional optional extras for the most part.  

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Well most people seem to live without a hifi system.

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RE: Are HiFi products luxury items?

CnoEvil wrote:

Freddy58 wrote:

But surely, one doesn't need the company of another to survive?

I'm looking at the big picture here....humankind does.....meaning we are all not a luxury, even if we think otherwise.  :grin:

 

Looking at an even bigger picture, I'm sure the Universe considers us a luxury :grin:

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RE: Are HiFi products luxury items?

Freddy58 wrote:

CnoEvil wrote:

Freddy58 wrote:

But surely, one doesn't need the company of another to survive?

I'm looking at the big picture here....humankind does.....meaning we are all not a luxury, even if we think otherwise.  :grin:

 

Looking at an even bigger picture, I'm sure the Universe considers us a luxury :grin:

How comforting.  :roll:

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Well most people seem to live without a hifi system.

 

But very few live without Television.

 

Perhaps Mr Micawber's test is the best one. Is happiness a 'luxury' ?

 

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p.s. Happiness is an unalienable right, according to the American Declaration of Independence, 1776.    -    JC

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p.s. Happiness is an unalienable right, according to the American Declaration of Independence, 1776.    -    JC

"The pursuit of happiness"  is one of the unalienable rights described.

It says nothing about any right to win that pursuit.

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jcbrum wrote:

p.s. Happiness is an unalienable right, according to the American Declaration of Independence, 1776.    -    JC

"The pursuit of happiness"  is one of the unalienable rights described.

It says nothing about any right to win that pursuit.

Happiness could be considered a luxury - it's not necessary for survival, and obtaining personal happiness could come at the cost of someone else's happiness.

Just think of all the corporate career ladder-climbing and backstabbing that goes on.

However, happiness is directly related to better health. Depression is directly related to poor health etc.

So maybe not a luxury but in the same class as vitamins?

 

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p.s. Happiness is an unalienable right, according to the American Declaration of Independence, 1776.    -    JC

Fail to see the relevance if you don't live in the USA, and thus have no right to happiness. Which could explain a lot!

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Happiness could be considered a luxury - it's not necessary for survival, and obtaining personal happiness could come at the cost of someone else's happiness.

Just think of all the corporate career ladder-climbing and backstabbing that goes on.

Agreed, but such things seem to make some people happy. 'Greed is good' and 'Lunch is for wimps' have a lot to answer for.

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However, happiness is directly related to better health. Depression is directly related to poor health etc.

Not sure I get that: can't someone be physically perfectly healthy but yet suffer from poor mental health, and vice versa?

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So maybe not a luxury but in the same class as vitamins?

You mean happiness is perfectly achievable naturally, but subject to lots of people trying to sell us apparent short cuts to it at inflated prices?

(I think we just got back on topic)

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Two thoughts occur:

 

A lot of the semantic arguments may be resolved by borrowing a concept from poverty. There could be 'absolute' luxury (all items that are non-essential to survival) and 'relative' luxury (taking into account what is normal in any particular society). Although I'm afraid either way and even in this country dedicated music making components costing in excess of one or two hundred pounds would constitute a luxury. 

 

Second, there's an interesting and very stark correlation between those seeking to justify their hifi as a non-luxury and the cable believers / subjectivists (and vice versa with the objectivists). Any thoughts as to why?

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jcbrum wrote:

BigH wrote:

Well most people seem to live without a hifi system.

But very few live without Television.

Perhaps Mr Micawber's test is the best one. Is happiness a 'luxury' ?

JC

Interesting question, I would say no, I know lots of poor happy people, its when they get money that they seem to become less happy and have fill there lives with luxuries to try and make them selves happy, material world. Happiness is not  a material, its a state of mind, not sure you can buy it, lots of rich people are not happy. 

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BenLaw wrote:

A lot of the semantic arguments may be resolved by borrowing a concept from poverty. There could be 'absolute' luxury (all items that are non-essential to survival) and 'relative' luxury (taking into account what is normal in any particular society). Although I'm afraid either way and even in this country dedicated music making components costing in excess of one or two hundred pounds would constitute a luxury. 

A lot of affluent people with plenty of disposable / discretionary income would blanch at some of the amounts suggested here for a 'modest' system. (Like Cno's proposal of a £1000 - £1600 'non luxury' hi-fi.)

I would say - based on anecdotal evidence from numerous IT colleagues over the years - that dedicated audio systems are a very low priority that fall waaaay behind cars, holidays, cameras, social spending, the latest smartphones, tablets, coffee making machines and doing up their homes.

A few years ago (when I had an entry level, all-Naim, seperates system) a bloke I worked with was indredulous when I said how much my system cost. (He was asking me about which "5.1 system in a box" was best for a couple of hundred quid.)

The same colleague used to pick my brains about photography and ended up buying about two grand's worth of Canon DSLR and lenses. So it's not just people with little or no money who think spending equivalent sums on audio as luxury (let alone madness).

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chebby wrote:

jcbrum wrote:

p.s. Happiness is an unalienable right, according to the American Declaration of Independence, 1776.    -    JC

"The pursuit of happiness"  is one of the unalienable rights described.

It says nothing about any right to win that pursuit.

 

 

Isn't the right to win happiness the whole implied reason for the Declaration, and the consequent 'War of Independence' (American), which developed pretty much into a world war ?

 

The Colony were very unhappy with British Rule, and complained bitterly that they were unhappy, and asserted their right to be independantly happy, by armed revolution.

 

JC

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