Talking to my local hifi dealer in the midlands (LP12 experts) so you probably know who I mean!
I was just talking generally about them and he commented that they are way over priced on fleabay and one costing £7-800 is going to need some serious money spending on it to bring it up to scratch - in his words 'better off getting an RP8"
Not too sure what they meant by 'bringing it up to scratch'. Getting it to compare to what? I remember they days of LP12 hype, even at the outset they needed serious tweeking before they sounded even half decent. No wonder there was a plethera of aftermarket mods arriving on the scene shortly after launch.
I think I made a wise decision in going for the cheaper Leak (Lenco) idler drive deck at the time.
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Nah, stick with the LP 12, you're really lucky. A real classic, will comfortably out perform most other turntables even in its basic shape. Forget the negative comments, it's tall poppy syndrome.
The arm skating may be no more than a setting up issue, so not worth worrying about just yet. A properly set up LP 12 is good for years.
Dealer's advice quoted above is nix. If people pay the £700 for an LP12 then that's what it is worth. The market decides, not the dealer.
Just his opinion I guess (dealers)
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Regarding the 'bouncing' issue, the LP12 has a sprung subchassis like the Thorens that I own, and if like me you're on bouncy wooden floors, it's no real surprise that nearby footfall causes issues. It certain does here. That's why you need a sturdy shelf on the wall. Sure you could probably cøck-about with the spring-tensions to firm them up, but if my understanding of their purpose is correct, that's kind of counter-productive to what they're there to do, which is to mechanically disconnect the turntable and arm subchassis from the main chassis. Or am I wrong?
Not sure if this applies to the LP12, but I read a tuning-guide for the TD160 once which suggested that the springs should be tight enough for the subchassis to just about 'float' when you fit the main platter, not too compliant otherwise the sound suffers (vague indistinct bass and blurry transients were apparently the biggest symptoms of an over-compliant set-up). No idea where I read that now, it was probably in one of the 1980s HiFi mags I used to buy, certainly pre-internet.
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If you can afford the service by a reputable place, then you can't really lose.
You'll have a newly serviced, well set up tt, to enjoy.
Or if you decide to sell, the reassurance to prospective buyers that it has been recently serviced should add value and make it easier to sell at a higher price.
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I think what he was getting is that if your paying £7-800 for a used LP12 of fleabay then it is a very risky business.
How will you know the condition? Yes you take the sellers word on it - but for that amount of money on a used TT that has to be sent via a courier is very risky imho. If you can collect it then thats ok as you are able to assess the condition of it.
The dealer is speaking form his experience as he has had many LP12s bought to him by customers (purchased used) that are in a sorry state and need serious money and tweaking to get them sounding good.
Apart from the fact this guy travels the world tweaking LP12s I pretty much rely on his experience.
Mmm . . . LP12 in its day 'was thee TT' . . . there was a lot of b**l s**t in the industry, along with smoke and mirrors, plus a large dollop of sales hype in some areas . . . but one has to admit in those early days, Linn did show the way . . . they got every one thinking. However, 'there are more ways to skin a cat' as they say, Linn obviously accept this; 'cant beat em so join em, with their modern down loads'.?
Sadly that early hype and b**l s**t etc., has stuck to some items, hence over pricing. However as OP has an LP12, it would be a shame not to bring it back to its 'former glory', dont spend loads of money on updates, just a simple service, get it working properly and enjoy. I might be temped to consider a new arm very early on . . . slap my wrist???
Wow, I didn't realise that the LP12 was so emotive.
OK, so I'm going to get 'her' serviced, hopefully there won't be too many surprises as I had packed nicely away in original box/packaging.
I just found my original receipt from 1988, but I suppose the warranty won't cover anything untoward
I'm still undecided about a phono stage, and so am going OTT in the interim, blow the dust off my old Linn LK1 preamp and use the tape loop...
get her serviced at your local linn dealer or go to the vinyl engine site and see how the lp12 divides opinions and make your own mind up, personally the lp12 is a great deck, I've had one and regret selling it, but then again, I've had a xerses, biggest mistake I ever made selling that.
Or take notice of these insightful comments.........
all linn stuff is overpriced garbage..
including the lp12.
just stop buying this rubbish and they go bust
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Agree, if you already have one, service it. You can easily and cheaply do that yourself.
I wouldn't spend hundreds on modifications but a nice cartridge will make a lot of difference.
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