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Seeking a subwoofer to complete my home cinema system

Just put together my first home cinema system and looking for a sub to complete it and need some help and a push in a direction in which i should go

 

my home cinema consists of:

 

Fronts: Dali Zensor 3 on Soundstyle Z2 stands

Centre: Dali Vokal

Surrounds:None

A/V: Sony STR-DN1040

Blu ray: Sony BDPS-5200

TV: Sony KDL46W905

 

looking for the oomph for movies not bothered about sub for music at all.

 

don't have the biggest amount of room in my flat and i have downstairs neighbour below my living room so cant have volume loud often

 

was looking between the bk xxls400 and bk monolith but now i dont know what is best with the amount of room i have and my conditions.

 

i will post photo of my living room so you can see exactly how much space i'm working with (my sofa is at back of room against wall so behind me is not an option)

 

don't want to spend more than £500 and that is absolute max i will go

 

Sub's i am thinking of:

 

bk monolith

bk xxls400

svs pb-1000 (although i dont know how easy this is to obtain in the UK)

cambridge audio AERO 9 (demo'd this in RS a while ago, from what i remember a decent sub and sounded exactly the same as the dali e-12f)

 

so, which sub to look more into? Smile

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RE: Seeking a subwoofer to complete my home cinema system

nugget2014 wrote:

svs pb-1000 (although i dont know how easy this is to obtain in the UK)

http://www.hifix.co.uk/sub-woofers/svs/pb1000.html

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nugget2014 wrote:

svs pb-1000 (although i dont know how easy this is to obtain in the UK)

http://www.hifix.co.uk/sub-woofers/svs/pb1000.html

 

looked at the pb-1000 and remembered it only has a 10" woofer where the bk subs i mentioned have 12" and are same price. deciding on a sub is so hard! harder than any other part of my system 

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I would have the sub placed more towards the front of the room and the setup anyway as you could experience problems with integratio if it's too close to the rear.  From the ones you've listed the Cambridge Audio Aero 9 is ideal. You've auditioned that sub and found you got along with it. Plus being similar to Dali E12f  it will be better integrated with the rest of the Dali speakers.

 

I'm not at all to familiar with the other subs mentioned. I'd also ensure they are either forward or sideways firing and not downwards. Have you considered a PV1? They can be had for around £350-400 now that the PV1D is out.

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I would have the sub placed more towards the front of the room and the setup anyway as you could experience problems with integratio if it's too close to the rear.  From the ones you've listed the Cambridge Audio Aero 9 is ideal. You've auditioned that sub and found you got along with it. Plus being similar to Dali E12f  it will be better integrated with the rest of the Dali speakers.

 

I'm not at all to familiar with the other subs mentioned. I'd also ensure they are either forward or sideways firing and not downwards. Have you considered a PV1? They can be had for around £350-400 now that the PV1D is out.

 

where on earth could i find a B&W pv1 for £350-400? on superfi it's listed at £750! it seems an ideal sub, hardly any resonance (does that mean less vibrations through the floor?) looks good, small so will fit in to my system easily and  goes quite low (although only goes upto 110hz i think i read) so not that good for music if i ever wanted to listen to music

 

 

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RE: Seeking a subwoofer to complete my home cinema system

looked around and think i'll cross off the pb-1000 from my list narrowin my choices down to:

 

cambridge audio aero 9

bk monolith

bk xxls400

b&w PV1 (if i can find one for around £400)

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Tried to edit my post but says I've triggered the p filtwr, doesn't help that I'm typing on my phone either.     :wall:

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RE: Seeking a subwoofer to complete my home cinema system

Pv1 is a music.sub predominantly - fast not that deep.

Monolith best movie sub out of the few short listed and is.very popular because goes.very deep

Xxls400 in.between the 2 but more aimed music. Is a good sub as well but doesnt go that.deep either.

 

After owning bk now owning.SVS - they make excellent subs as well.

 

Dont worry about matching bass is just pressure - good integration comes from placement and setup

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IMO Rel is the only place to look for Subwoofers. It's their soul perpouse in life to build Subwoofers and they are worth every peny.

 

http://rel.net/products/

Try that fpr size.

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My living room, dont have much space:

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Nice little set up. Bit conused why you don't want any sattelite speakers to give you the full surround sound. Some of your games should have 5.1. As you have your fronts the same it's not so importand what the surrounds are so you could get away with some small sattelites. Rel do some very small subs but they will give out that oomph you want no problem.

I can see you don't have much space but your system would sound better if you could move it away from the corner. I can see you are keeping your setup away from the door though.

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Nice little set up. Bit conused why you don't want any sattelite speakers to give you the full surround sound. Some of your games should have 5.1. As you have your fronts the same it's not so importand what the surrounds are so you could get away with some small sattelites. Rel do some very small subs but they will give out that oomph you want no problem.

I can see you don't have much space but your system would sound better if you could move it away from the corner. I can see you are keeping your setup away from the door though.

 

was originally going to get some surround speakers but though not the best option as i thought it wouldnt be as effective since i am sat against rear wall. plus i cant afford it right now, want some cheap satellites but cant find any looked at richer sounds dont want to spend more than £50 really

 

then got to assemble some speaker brackets and hang them up on wall, i wish i could buy some semi cheap wireless surrounds!

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RE: Seeking a subwoofer to complete my home cinema system

rel doesnt appeal to me from what subs i've seen, still between the bk and the cambridge audio subs i think

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Get the BK then - you wont be dissapointed.

Then learn how to properly set a sub up - then get some good bass - voiloi

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RE: Seeking a subwoofer to complete my home cinema system

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rel doesnt appeal to me from what subs i've seen, still between the bk and the cambridge audio subs i think

Fair play if Rel don't appeal to you. I might be right in saying a lot of people on hear would agree Rel make the best subwoofers in the world. I was in a Seven Oaks once and a guy came in looking to buy another subwoofer as he couldn't get the Rel he had to work very well. When I heard he had a Rel I persuaded him not to buy a new one and even the guy from Seven Oaks agreed with me utting himself out of a sale.

There are many awesome subwoofers out there don't get me wrong. I've heard many but none worked as well as the old Rel Q50 I have. I would seriously recommend trying a Rell against othe Subs before you buy.

Up to you oof course. If you got your heart set on one or 2 then go with those.

Oh if you have to sit on the back wall to view your TV then having a pair of sattelites on each wall either sside of you pointing right at your ears you will still get a surround sound effect. This was how my first ever surround sound system had to be set up. I was also on one side of the room yet I still got full surround sounds. Go on ebay or Gumtree. The second hand market is very good and you can get more for your money if you know what to look for. Most of my kit is second hand. You could always point one of us towards something you are interested in for an opinion.

Good luck with what ever you decide.

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RE: Seeking a subwoofer to complete my home cinema system

If you want to go for something cheap and cheerful but still pretty decent, (this maybe a bit controversial) to see if you need a sub, you could go for a Paradigm sub, they're nearly always going on ebay and are reasonably priced. The PDR-10 has a forward facing speaker and is rear ported so less intusive for the neigbours below. I had one for a few years, could feel it rumble through the sofa! Cheap surrounds, try Jamo A102, sound a lot bigger than they look, or A500/510 if you want slim ones. These you can normally get for around £50 a pair on ebay.  

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