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I've been reading WHF Awards 2008 and come to the conclusion that there's a lot of great gear out there that I just can't afford...  So what about goodies from previous years which are now (presumably) heading to ebay as richer people than me upgrade?  How can I know what was a good buy a few years back, and which might now be picked up at bargain price?  Any advice much appreciated.

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Depends what your after???

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It all depends how much you want to spend and how far back you want to go but a few suggestions here should get you started:

Pioneer A400 amplifier
Arcam Alpha 8 and 9 amplifiers
Marantz CD63 CD player and its SE/KI-SIGNATURE variants
Mission 760 speakers
Kenwood KA-3020SE amplifier

Rega RP3/Elys 2 - Graham Slee Gram Amp 1 - Rega Apollo R - Exposure 1010 amp - Dynaudio DM2/6 - Chord Co. Chameleon VEE3/Rumour 2 - Musical Fidelity V90-HPA - Sennheiser HD595

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I was thinking I might buy (and then sell!) a few older bits until I found something I was really happy with.  I've not done that much auditioning so am hoping to train my ears a bit...  I bought my last separates 18 years ago, so haven't really kept up with the pace and don't much know what is considered to sound 'good' these days.

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PS There really is a wealth of great used kit out there and I'm still tempted to think that its the best way to bag a bargain system that sounds superb. There is no need for low budget to mean poor sound because you can put together a system on a shoestring that will still give current gear a good run for its money. If you let us know the sort of things you are specifically looking for I'm sure you'll get lots of suggestions from members of this forum.

Rega RP3/Elys 2 - Graham Slee Gram Amp 1 - Rega Apollo R - Exposure 1010 amp - Dynaudio DM2/6 - Chord Co. Chameleon VEE3/Rumour 2 - Musical Fidelity V90-HPA - Sennheiser HD595

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ajh57:I was thinking I might buy (and then sell!) a few older bits until I found something I was really happy with.  I've not done that much auditioning so am hoping to train my ears a bit...  I bought my last separates 18 years ago, so haven't really kept up with the pace and don't much know what is considered to sound 'good' these days.



'Good' is subjective. Its about what sounds right to you.

Rega RP3/Elys 2 - Graham Slee Gram Amp 1 - Rega Apollo R - Exposure 1010 amp - Dynaudio DM2/6 - Chord Co. Chameleon VEE3/Rumour 2 - Musical Fidelity V90-HPA - Sennheiser HD595

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Point taken.  In fact, I recently listened to some MA BR2s, which WHF have raved about for ages, and thought them rather dull.  Hence my thought about getting hold of a range of stuff to figure out exactly what butters my parsnips.  I'm mainly a classical music fan, but also stuff like Nick Drake, Dylan, Zeppelin - a range really.  What if I were to start really low, say, £150 a piece (CD, Amp, speakers)?

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Maybe NAD gear at that price - you could realistically spend £110 on some entry level Tannoys or the like and up your budget on the amp and CD player a little. Don't forget good used gear from the dealers who often throw in support to get more for your money.

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My first serious hi-fi was an Audiolab 800a, B & W DM601's and a Marantz CD63 KI Sig in the early nineties.  If memory serves this was a What Hi-Fi recommended system.  Sounded superb.  All regularly pop up on Ebay and should be within budget. 

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Ok, and if I were to spend a bit more, say, £250-300 per item?

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At this level (and even slightly below it) things become a lot more interesting. I bought a Rega Planet 2000 a few months ago and was stunned by the improvements over a budget player (Marantz CD5400). The Arcam CD73 can be had for that money as well.

Can't advise on amps and speakers, as I'm still looking myself...

Good luck and enjoy the search, ajh57!   

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ajh57:Point taken.  In fact, I recently listened to some MA BR2s, which WHF have raved about for ages, and thought them rather dull.  Hence my thought about getting hold of a range of stuff to figure out exactly what butters my parsnips.  I'm mainly a classical music fan, but also stuff like Nick Drake, Dylan, Zeppelin - a range really.  What if I were to start really low, say, £150 a piece (CD, Amp, speakers)?



Residual value is often a function of WHF star-rating, I find - a more expensive or unfashionable or older four-star product can often be had for the same price as a hot five-star product.

For example, I got my Primare D20 and A20 Mk2 (both four-star products, if I recall), for £212 and £315 respectively. £150 will generally buy you nothing much of interest - there's nothing on eBay at the moment (in the BIN section anyway) for that price that's a bargain - I mean who's going to buy a Cambridge 540a for £150, hm? In fact, there aren't any bargains on eBay at the moment full stop.......

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i dont post on here very often but sometimes a thread catches my eye..i have been listening to hifi for the best part of 40 yrs ,starting with my guru uncles full quad kit in the late 60s when most kids where listening to a 45rpm stackable one box 5 watt cheap vinyl covered record player. sound reproduction has come on in leaps and bounds since then ,,certainly not at a steady pace..along side the reproduction of music by domestic systems there has also been great strides in the recording of music .albeit out of the hundreds of thousands of recordings made every year 90% of them are rubbish...but i have attended at least one high end hifi show every year ..and the truth is ,the difference in sound quality gets less and less from year to year.and certainly in the last 3 years hardly at all.i forsee in the near future we will notice no difference at all if we arn't there already, as at the last show in bristol apart from a couple of exceptions there was nothing i hadnt heard before. It is possible if you buy quality looked after second hand gear fron 4 to 8 yrs ago to put a system together that sounds as good as an equivalent system today and still looks great for less than a third of the price....
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Going through similar thoughts now myself after having a bit of an ebay epiphany when I realised I could get serious kit for half money second hand, effectively doubling my spending power. I actually started looking for some new kit about 6 months ago and bought WHF to help. Through various enjoyable procrastination reaons (I blame my dad, can't buy anything without building a spreadsheet and doing loads of research), didn't get round to actually buying anything, which meant I suddently had 6 month old WHF to help with ebay scouring when I got round to looking again.

My advice, order some back copies of WHF from about 9 months ago and go hunting!

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I agree. My current kit, a combo of 2nd hand, end of line and ex demo cost me approx £2,500 excluding cables and things. The RRP of everything was getting on for £6k. There's no way I could have got something as good new for £2,500, even if I'd picked award winners.

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bigrod:

It is possible if you buy quality looked after second hand gear fron 4 to 8 yrs ago to put a system together that sounds as good as an equivalent system today and still looks great for less than a third of the price....



Couldn't agree more; have picked up some great deals with used kit and there's more and more of it out there. I picked up a 1978 Sansui tuner earlier in the year and it was near mint. One internal display bulb has gone, but that's it; otherwise, fantastic.

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