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Tone controls

I use them if my amp has them, in fact I sold my pioneer a400 20years ago because I missed them.

my naim doesn't have them and the sound is spot on but my marantz amp has them so I use them, mostly to get a little more bass out of my monitor audios.

 

so why do some frown on using them when they can improve a budget system for nothing or help out with room acoustics you are tied too? 

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letsavit2 wrote: I use them

letsavit2 wrote:

I use them if my amp has them, in fact I sold my pioneer a400 20years ago because I missed them.

my naim doesn't have them and the sound is spot on but my marantz amp has them so I use them, mostly to get a little more bass out of my monitor audios.

 

so why do some frown on using them when they can improve a budget system for nothing or help out with room acoustics you are tied too? 

I swear by them and would never buy an amp without them.

I mean bungs for your speakers......thats ridiculous.

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RE: letsavit2 wrote: I use them

Tone controls - If you think it benefits your overall sound  by all means - it's your choice. Manufactures put tone controls on for a reason and a proportion of listeners like the ability to "tailor" the sound.

Personally in amps I have heard the sound quality is slightly (but noticably) inferior when the tone controls are "in". I know that some music might appear "bass light" or "too bright" and tone controls can alter this. But for me - the overall clarity and spaciousness of the music is also altered (in a negative way) and this is far worse than some bass lightness.  - If it's  a big problem for you i might propose the synergy of the whole system is lacking in some way

But each to their own  btw I (as well as many others) own or have owned a Pioneer A400 amp - a superb example in it's time and it still sounds v good now. It certainly doesn't need tone controls to help it.

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RE: letsavit2 wrote: I use them

Thing is though with budget systems its not the music, my marantz amp and speakers do sound abit bright and light on bass compared to my naim, hence I use tone controls sometimes. 

 

Or does my naim sound sound a bit bass heavy and flat, who knows unless you was in the studio at the time of recording? 

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RE: Tone controls

letsavit2 wrote:

I use them if my amp has them, in fact I sold my pioneer a400 20years ago because I missed them.

my naim doesn't have them and the sound is spot on but my marantz amp has them so I use them, mostly to get a little more bass out of my monitor audios.

so why do some frown on using them when they can improve a budget system for nothing or help out with room acoustics you are tied too? 

It's like a restaurant where condiments are banned from the customer's tables because the chef has decided no-one should be able to adjust the seasoning of the food.

The manufacturer can charge more for using less components (and such minimilist designs usually cost more). It was a trend started by such companies as Naim with the excuse that  'there was less to get in the way of the music'. It was horse#### then and it's still horse#### now.

Quad, A&R Cambridge (with their A60 and many subsequent amps) and Audiolab (in the early days) and many other high quality companies managed to produce legendary amplifiers with tone-controls to show up the lies of hair-shirt, cheapskate, purists who'd rather their customers spent fortunes finding the 'right' speakers and fricking around with the products of the burgeoning 'boutique cable' industry.

Now you need to get 'smooth' cables to tame harsh amps (!) or find speakers that have just the right  'synergy' (ech!) and you have to swallow a cartload of pony poo from 'posh wire' companies (and their dealers) who know that a judicious tweak of a treble or bass control would save most customers hundreds (or even thousands) of quid and put themselves out of business.

 

 

 

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RE: Tone controls

I put two very large bags of sugar on top of each of my speakers . The music did sound a little sweeter in tone.

Yes - I think there is a lot in this food analogy - I just thought I'd put it into practice.

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Well I'm working late tonight

Well I'm working late tonight (as well as posting here!) and listening to my new headphones akg 550's that seem a bit bass shy. So source direct button off bass turned up a little and im more than happy with the music I'm hearing.

Now I wonder if chase and status want me to hear it as they recorded it or when I see them in a club in Ibiza or when I last see them live? Either way I reckon they like there bass though!

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It's like a restaurant where condiments are banned from the customer's tables because the chef has decided no-one should be able to adjust the seasoning of the food.

 

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yes I like the analogy, spot on!  

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RE: Tone controls

I wonder if Gordon Ramsay uses tone controls?

Maybe he likes his food (and the sound) over processed

 

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RE: Tone controls

On my Alpha 9 I never used them because it meant turning off direct, which resulted in an audible deterioration of SQ. My current kit has beautifully implemented tone controls. I currently use them to turn the bass down just a tad to compensate for having my speakers close to the walls.

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Roksan Caspian 2 amp has no

Roksan Caspian 2 amp has no tone controls , make of this what you will , but at £1500 . The design is to let the recording sound as it's intended .
If it has massive bass and you have the right system massive bass is what you get.

Explain Roksan Caspians choice to omit tone controls if it's not for the purpose mentioned to hear the recording as it was intended.
But there is the camp that prefer them , me I dont use them .

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... just please play some

... just please play some Chaka Khan and then James Blake... Wouldn't you like to add some bass in Chaka's songs and turn down a bit with James songs?
I'm currently not using tone control at all and music on my headphones sounds terrific but not so good on speakers... but recently I paid attention to positioning and room acoustics... I've got now rather unfortunate speakers placement but changes are coming.. a complete room redesign with speakers firing down the long length of the room, carpet in front, some acoustic pannels on walls... I've already tested the new set up and the difference is obvious, however need to get rid off chimney breast and move doors... next year work

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RE: Tone controls

Listening in moderate to 50% levels, does using tone controls have a detremental effect on the amp or the speakers?

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RE: Tone controls

I'd guess it depends on how much your boosting the bass by, are your speakers really flapping? I've the same amp as you and have never had to turn it to 12 oclock but my speaks are 3db more sensitive than yours.

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letsavit2 wrote: I use them

letsavit2 wrote:

I use them if my amp has them, in fact I sold my pioneer a400 20years ago because I missed them.

my naim doesn't have them and the sound is spot on but my marantz amp has them so I use them, mostly to get a little more bass out of my monitor audios.

 

so why do some frown on using them when they can improve a budget system for nothing or help out with room acoustics you are tied too? 

Tone controls don't actually 'improve' a system, it just changes the tonal balance to that which is more appealing to the user.

I'm not against them - I do use them now and again on an Audiolab 8000A. Only very subtlely though.

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RE: Tone controls

Can any amp have loads of bass or too bright? In any half decent amp one would hope that all frequencies are amplified equally - a flat curve. Isnt a bass heavy amp one which is amplifying the bass more.than other frequencies? Like a tone control then?

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