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TB2is so far.

 In the beginning….

Having had fairly extensive experience with DB1is, whether it was shop dems with Naim gear or at home with the Arcam and Leema, they are a staggering little speaker, and not too fussed about amplification. However, it's fair to say that a budget amp may struggle to make the most of these pocket rockets. The only reason why I didn't snap up the DB1s before now is two-fold: Firstly, Totem Arros and, secondly, because I'm so used to floorstanders the DB1i slightly lacked (obviously) when it came to bass crunch with DVDs, but music in general was balanced.

Impressed by the Totem Arros presentation, they were odds on for long periods to replace the RS6s, however, Mrs. P noticed that their tykey dimensions could become a liability --- great if you haven't any nippers or a marauding, slobbering Rottweiler to contend with (luckily we don't have the latter). After months of gnawing the cat's ear decided - correctly - the Totems wouldn't be a practical choice.

Broken principles

Well, well, well... I've always preached on this forum that stick to the rulebook and 'demo before parting with your hard earned money'. Nevertherless, this self-confessed lunacy tumbled head first through the double glazing when it came to the PMCs. Actually there is madness to my method: Looking at these TB2is logically, I sagely thought, "if the tonal qualities and crisp top-end mirrors that of the DB1is, with deeper bass blah blah blah..." there shouldn't be any real issues, except, perhaps, for speaker positioning. That was my corkscrew thinking in the whole process.

Going by my own staid principles I should've commandeered myself for the six o'clock walk for not hearing them first. This is somewhat a mixed metaphor but I'm sure you'll catch my drift.

To the meaty stuff

The first day after lugging them home they weren't a disappointment but, somehow, I expected the DB1's larger siblings to grab me by the short and curlies... but they didn't! They are an improvement over the Monitor Audios but not quite as much as originally thought. Had I made a mistake? Already the RS6s were purchased and I started to come out in a cold sweat for a while.

I needn't have concerned myself; for years I've always had tram line thinking: If it ain't broke... and subconsciously this must've been eating away like I've swallowed a malnurished piranha.

After a few days they were really showing their sonic mettle: The soundstage is big and textured with staggering imaging. The high frequencies are crisp but smooth, mirroring the midrange and bottom end. Ahhh... the bass is so tuneful, yet taut and fast without the slight portly attention-grabbing note exhibited by the RS6s. They have a natural ease with music playback. Regadless of musical styles they just seem at home with themselves - and play them really loud and the dynamic headroom is breathtaking: Crank up a good quality record, CD or DVD and they sound like they are playing for you; add these traits to the Leema's slightly honest (raw) presentation and it's the closest I've heard to a live performance, minus the ear piercing bellow of a my old Silver speakers.

To sum up the TB2is: Blistering. You really can go from silver to gold. 


 


                                                                                                        

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Love the write up PP... you seem to like your animal imagery

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Really glad the risk paid off, it's always a squeeky bottom time when you first install that piece of kit

press play or drop the needle and wait to be wowed!

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There is a thread after ALL...! :bounce: :cheer:

 

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PP, you have perfectly described  the things that make PMC speakers special especially the i series . Smile

I am really glad you are enjoying what the TB2i's can do  , but it comes as no surprise to me :grin:    :rockout: 

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plastic penguin wrote:

The soundstage is big and textured with staggering imaging...

 

You might be able to get even more out of them.

Some of PMC's guidelines on loudspeaker positioning...

"Place the speakers so that the front face is forward of any object that protrudes into the room – a fire place, bookcase or television for example.

Ensure that stereo pairs of loudspeakers are equidistant from the listening position...

For example, if you are seated 3meters from the plane of your left/right loudspeakers, they should be positioned roughly 2metres apart. As a general rule, the soundstage width will diminish if the loudspeakers are any closer together and become disjointed if they are further apart, but we encourage experimentation within your own room.

Loudspeakers can be ‘toed-in” to improve stereo left/right imaging, so that the axis of each loudspeaker crossed approximately 50cm behind the primary listening position."

From what I recall of your room photos, you have just about 3 metres from a plane drawn just in front of the equipment racks / TV etc. (where they recommend the speaker's front panels should be) to your listening position.

"Toeing in'' so the axis of each speaker crosses the other 50cm behind the listener's head would require a bit of precision with a long (more than 3.5m) steel tape measure and someone to carefully align the centre axis of each speaker along it. (Maybe a chalked line along the top of each speaker so it won't mark the veneer.)

Must be worth a go - just the once - to hear what they sound like following PMCs advice. All a bit 'optimal' for the daily hurly-burly of Rottweilers and gnawed cats bounding around the place, but could be interesting (when things are quiet) to use as a starting point at least.

Oh, and the one everyone forgets, stick a spirit level on top of each speaker to ensure your tweeters are pointing the same way in the vertical plane. (And not one at your knees and another at the picture of aunt Mabel two feet up the wall behind you).

Only takes a couple of minutes to adjust the spikes once a final position is decided upon and the Blu-Tack has hardened.

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Good write up, and glad you are enjoying your new purchase!

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Sounds like your enjoying the PMC's Smile Do you have them on heavy stands and have you removed the brass jumpers between the binding posts?

 

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MattSPL wrote:

Do you have them on heavy stands?

 

Yes, they are quite weighty but no idea the make. I looked everywhere for a name or symbol/badge... but nothing. Don't know whetjher they are hindering the overall sound or not. It's something I'll look into at a later date.

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plastic penguin wrote:

MattSPL wrote:

Do you have them on heavy stands?

 

Yes, they are quite weighty but no idea the make. I looked everywhere for a name or symbol/badge... but nothing. Don't know whetjher they are hindering the overall sound or not. It's something I'll look into at a later date.

Once they are solid and stable they should be fine.

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Staggering, breathtaking and blistering.

Someody has been reading too many What HiFi? reviews  Smile

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Staggering, breathtaking and blistering.

Someody has been reading too many What HiFi? reviews  Smile

In direct comparison to what I had...

C'mon, surely you can do better than that.

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Your post is seriously tempting me...  :?

once I sort out a better source for CD playback the RS6 would probably be the weakest part in my chain, so next year when upgraditis hits again I'll have to go and have a listen!

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cannibal_ox77 wrote:

Your post is seriously tempting me...  :?

once I sort out a better source for CD playback the RS6 would probably be the weakest part in my chain, so next year when upgraditis hits again I'll have to go and have a listen!

Next year you will be very unlikely to find any bargain priced, ex-demo TB2is as PP did. They went out of production last year when PMC introduced a new range and replaced them with their new Twenty .22s.

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chebby wrote:

cannibal_ox77 wrote:

Your post is seriously tempting me...  :?

once I sort out a better source for CD playback the RS6 would probably be the weakest part in my chain, so next year when upgraditis hits again I'll have to go and have a listen!

Next year you will be very unlikely to find any bargain priced, ex-demo TB2is as PP did. They went out of production last year when PMC introduced a new range and replaced them with their new Twenty .22s.

Absolutely -- s/hand or bust.

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If there's any floorstanding speakers under £1k that are *significantly* better than the RS6's I might find a stepping stone until those 22's or 23's are end of line...

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cannibal_ox77 wrote:

If there's any floorstanding speakers under £1k that are *significantly* better than the RS6's I might find a stepping stone until those 22's or 23's are end of line...

You won't find anything brand new *significantly* better that the RS6s. For that you need to look at the s/hand market as in PMC GB1is ot Totem Arros.

But really depends if you're looking at a upgrade or specifically at speakers. The reason I say this is because those RS6 will be a different animal with a better amp: Caspian, Creek Destiny, Audio Analogue, Arcam A38. But, like speakers, won't come cheap.

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