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RE: Tannoy Precision 6.2 review

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Unless a complete system review is being carried out, I suspect that there is a reference system to attach various components under test to. Quality pieces that would allow all equipment on test to operate at its optimum without being held back.

With regard to an 'over treated' room. This provides a good baseline for results by nullifying room effects. To listen in any other environment is jut as likely to result in spurious reviews and the choice of another environment, presumably to mimick a typical front room is going to be an arbitrary setup that is irrelevant for many.

At least with the present situation with regards testing/review room, the items on test will have their underlying characteristics exposed rather than hidden.

It is easy enough to damp down an overly 'live' room and in fact would cost rather less than a 'special' cable or two and actually produce verifiable improvements.

There is a reference system, in the hi-fi rooms at least, but I am not sure quite how good they are. I am also somewhat against the idea of 'reference systems' on general principles, though I am pretty sure WHF do nor make evaluations based on anything so crass as simply substituting the item under test into the reference system.

However the rooms are heavily controlled and it is easy to see why certain kinds of product will impress, similatly with extremely well controlled bass it is no surprise that some floorstanding speakers review well when in the real world they are little more than 'boomboxes'.

I have to disagree. If you are to compare any product, a reference is a must. In a situation where a component that sounds fine in a treated room, but not in a home environment, then it is the environment that needs to be modified and it isn't necessarily difficult or expensive to do so.

 

Yes but who buys a £650 amp for a £15,000 system? 

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Yes but who buys a £650 amp for a £15,000 system? 

What's your point BigH?

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Yes but who buys a £650 amp for a £15,000 system? 

What's your point BigH?

 

My point is its not being tested in its typical system, its a bit like testing a rally car on the M6. In fact the room and system are not typical thats probably why some people are dissappointed when buying gear based on reviews, ever see a speaker review that says they are boomy? I believe most reviews are just promoting the product anyway thats whats its all about isn't it. Thats why there are so many 5 star reviews? 

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Yes but who buys a £650 amp for a £15,000 system? 

What's your point BigH?

 

My point is its not being tested in its typical system, its a bit like testing a rally car on the M6. In fact the room and system are not typical thats probably why some people are dissappointed when buying gear based on reviews, ever see a speaker review that says they are boomy? I believe most reviews are just promoting the product anyway thats whats its all about isn't it. Thats why there are so many 5 star reviews? 

I still don't see what any of that has got to do with the £650 amp in a £15K system reference.

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The point is it may not go with those sort of speakers and if thats the only test they would have probably not got 5 stars and would not be amp. of the year, here is from the review  "We found that the Arcam A19 needs some careful system partnering to truly shine. We swapped our neutral-sounding ATCs for the  KEF LS50s speakers – and the change in pace was immediate."

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Other Magazines as Streophile and The Absolute Sound use more than one system for checking the product and variety kind of music and mention the difference  bewtween them on their review , it is  more serious approach than just throwing the product to a refernce system and mention 2 or 3 songs WHF team heard with them . To tell the true I love the WHF Hi Fi forum but when I want to read a serious reviews for a certain product  I prefer to look for it on Stereophile , The Absolut Sound or Hi-Fi News magazines ...

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This whole 'reference system' thing is, to me, just plain wrong.

The only reference is a real live performance, real music, real musicians, real world.

Sure I know that loads of recordings do not actually consist of a real musical event, but there are plenty that do and they make the best demonstration/evaluation 'tools' possible.

I know that for many this is dificult, but you have to stop listening to the way a system sounds and learn to listen to how a system actually plays music, then you will be able to sort out the 'also rans' from the seriously good stuff.

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To tell the true I love the WHF Hi Fi forum but when I want to read a serious reviews for a certain product  I prefer to look for it on Stereophile , The Absolut Sound or Hi-Fi News magazines ...

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The Forum is great and this is the main reason for me to hand around here.

Gear Review is.. hmmm.. let us say more like reading a gossip magazine. I am curious to know what they think. but when I have to buy, I give more weightage else where especially individual reviews. In between I even thought that the reviews available online do not tell the entire story and subscribed to the magazine for couple of years but it is the same.

It feels like we are critics of movies - and that makes me wonder what happens to movie critics if there are no movies made.. I digress.

 

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This whole 'reference system' thing is, to me, just plain wrong.

The only reference is a real live performance, real music, real musicians, real world.

I don't understand how you can put any context into a review if you have no reference equipment. Without a baseline of some sort for comparison, reviews would seem even more spurious between reviewres and be less relevant.

What better way to test a speaker than to drive it effortlessly with a quality amplifier? Using anything less would compromise the potential of the speaker and give a false indication of its abilities. The same applies to any equipment.

As for real, music musicians, performances etc. for most types of music, performances are amped over PA systems and are not any reference that I'd want to emulate.

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This whole 'reference system' thing is, to me, just plain wrong.

The only reference is a real live performance, real music, real musicians, real world.

I don't understand how you can put any context into a review if you have no reference equipment. Without a baseline of some sort for comparison, reviews would seem even more spurious between reviewres and be less relevant.

What better way to test a speaker than to drive it effortlessly with a quality amplifier? Using anything less would compromise the potential of the speaker and give a false indication of its abilities. The same applies to any equipment.

As for real, music musicians, performances etc. for most types of music, performances are amped over PA systems and are not any reference that I'd want to emulate.

As I said above, the trick is listening to the music not the sound that it makes. There are plenty of good recording that can be used, that capture the 'feel', the 'prescence' of a live/real event and I find these invaluable.

I find that listening in this way helps tremendously and can often take crude variables, like a bright or boomy dem room, pretty much out of the equation. I appreciate that this is not normally how most people listen but it works for me.

A simple example, I often played a track that had a lenghty acoustic guitar into, on most systems it sounded crisp and clear and on the better ones so clear and pricise that I felt that even my extremely amaturish playing skills would be able to pick out the notes and play the tune.

Then on this particular ocasion I changed the amplifier and suddenly I knew, I just knew that I could practice for the rest of my life and never come close to the superbly expressive and emotive playing of the artist. The new system just made the music so much more real, the talent of the artist so much more evident, the sound had not changed one jot, but the music had.

Anyway I know I am not going to change your views on this but I thought an explanation worthwhile, a different (from the norm on here) way of doing things that has served me well.

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Anyway, lovely look to these Tannoys. Wish I could afford a pair. I'd like to here comparison between the Tannoy V4i, 6.2 and DC6T SE. On paper they appear to have similar specs.

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davedotco wrote:

This whole 'reference system' thing is, to me, just plain wrong.

The only reference is a real live performance, real music, real musicians, real world.

Sure I know that loads of recordings do not actually consist of a real musical event, but there are plenty that do and they make the best demonstration/evaluation 'tools' possible.

I know that for many this is dificult, but you have to stop listening to the way a system sounds and learn to listen to how a system actually plays music, then you will be able to sort out the 'also rans' from the seriously good stuff.

The system doesn't play music, it reproduces the music the musicians play.

It's also a touch unrealistic to get real musicians in to provide a reference when auditioning kit. I doubt the RPO would fit into a dealers room, let alone my flat.

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That's all very well for an individual who is trying out kit to buy, but my points were in relation to a review system as used by the WHF mag.

For example, how can a reviewer asses a selection of speakers if there is no one amplifier being used?

When assesing anything, always the extraeneous variables are removed first to isolate what is on test, ie providing a reference.

Anyway, I think we are talking at cross purposes, as it seems that you are talking about what to listen for when reviewing and I'm talking about the conditions of the review.

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Yes thats true they spent nearly a £1m on room treatment, so the products may not sound anything like that in a average living room.

 

There is no way they spent anything like that much just on the acoustic treatment. I think the £1m figure scrapes together every bit of the cost involved of putting all the rooms together.

 

The WHF demo rooms do sound pretty flat but the main advantage is that there's a ton of space around the speakers and a lightweight panel ceiling. No nasty reflections.

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davedotco wrote:

This whole 'reference system' thing is, to me, just plain wrong.

The only reference is a real live performance, real music, real musicians, real world.

Sure I know that loads of recordings do not actually consist of a real musical event, but there are plenty that do and they make the best demonstration/evaluation 'tools' possible.

I know that for many this is dificult, but you have to stop listening to the way a system sounds and learn to listen to how a system actually plays music, then you will be able to sort out the 'also rans' from the seriously good stuff.

Well said Dave :clap:

This is very good advice and the very best way to choose the right equipment for a natural sounding musical system .

The more real it sounds the more pleasure it gives . :cheers:

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