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RE: Spotify choice.

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Oh yeah, 320K sound quality from Spotify Premium isn't a patch on the 320K AAC VBR iTunes rips of my own CDs. (Both played from iThings via AirPlay.) 

Oh oh...

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RE: Spotify choice.

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chebby wrote:

Oh yeah, 320K sound quality from Spotify Premium isn't a patch on the 320K AAC VBR iTunes rips of my own CDs. (Both played from iThings via AirPlay.) 

Oh oh...

Indeed. I don't know for how long I will want to pay a tenner a month and sit there thinking how much nicer it would be to have my own CD rips. I was hoping for better.

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Since I started this Spotify lark just this afternoon, there are now at least four CDs I want to buy.  Is this supposed to be the idea?  It's going to get very expensive at this rate!

Yep, that's exactly how it works. Try stuff on Spotify, then buy CDs. Expensive.

But think of it like this. What's better value: spending money on hi-fi kit or buying music?

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Let the 209th Bitrate Games begin!

And may the 0s and 1s...etc

To be sure, I would make sure both the stream and sync bitrates are both set to Extreme (because you can manage them independently). Put the content in to a playlist that is marked as 'available offline', and let the content download so that you are removing the possibility of Spotify streaming/internet quality itself hamstringing SQ, then try again. If you still feel the same, then there's your answer.

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RE: Spotify choice.

chebby wrote:

John Duncan wrote:

chebby wrote:

Oh yeah, 320K sound quality from Spotify Premium isn't a patch on the 320K AAC VBR iTunes rips of my own CDs. (Both played from iThings via AirPlay.) 

Oh oh...

Indeed. I don't know for how long I will want to pay a tenner a month and sit there thinking how much nicer it would be to have my own CD rips. I was hoping for better.

Spotify is 2 times better library wise than qobuz.. but spotify is 3 times worse than what I need.. and I'm into jazz, new electronic bits, contemporary composers, experimental as well as rare, hidden gems of the 60/70s rock, 80s soul.. 

Spotify's the best library of all streaming services, however never tried Deezer.. they have 30milion song library vs Spotify 20...

.. why not use free version of Spotify for preview and buy whatever you like? rip it, ebay... hmmm

Bandcamp - best imho for discovering new music of all kinds, flac and cheap.. quite often 'name your price' and albums you wont find elswhere

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Let the 209th Bitrate Games begin! And may the 0s and 1s...etc To be sure, I would make sure both the stream and sync bitrates are both set to Extreme (because you can manage them independently). Put the content in to a playlist that is marked as 'available offline', and let the content download so that you are removing the possibility of Spotify streaming/internet quality itself hamstringing SQ, then try again. If you still feel the same, then there's your answer.

'Extreme' on both settings (before I even played anything).

20mbps Virgin Media cable connection to an Apple Extreme 802.11N base station that doesn't miss a beat even with HD iPlayer TV content via wi-fi, so I doubt it's an internet thing.

BBC iPlayer Radio sounds better (and that's only 128K AAC in most cases). So I don't think it's a bitrate issue either.

I'm no stranger to this issue. For instance, identical tracks from iTunes downloads (256K AAC) sound worse than 256K AAC VBR rips of the same tracks from my CDs. (Why I haven't bought an iTunes download in years.)

I don't have any dogma concerning these 'inconsistencies'. Back when Radio Paradise used to offer 320K MP3 it was always bettered by their 128K and 192K AAC broadcasts. 

I take these things case by case and don't give a hoot for the theory if a lower bitrate sounds better than it should, or one identical bitrate AAC download sounds worse than a 256K AAC rip or something sounds better on BBC iPlayer through AirPlay than via the internet radio on my M-CR603, or via TuneIn Radio Pro.

 

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what player do you use to play back your cd rips?

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what player do you use to play back your cd rips?

Exactlly what I used with Spoitfy Premium...

iPad Mini / AirPlay / M-CR603

Anyhow, Spotify Premium is now cancelled (so I don't forget the end of the trial date and accidentally have to pay them).

A few more like-for-like track comparisons actually annoyed me with how bad Spotify 320K replay is.

As I mentioned earlier, even some BBC iPlayer Radio 128k and 96K AAC content sounds better. (Same iPad, same AirPlay, same Marantz). Lots better. (As in actually listenable!)

So it's not about bit rates.

It's not about my internet connection or wireless either. (It has no problems with 320K BBC Radio 3 or even streaming HD iPlayer TV content to my iPad with audio going via AirPlay to the system.)

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I find spotify excellent for jazz and am mostly very happy with the premium SQ of OggV.

Sure, my Flac rips (dbpoweramp - Musicbee) may sound marginally better but to have such a library of music in an easy to use format on my fingertips is fantastic.

£10 well spent imho.

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A few more like-for-like track comparisons actually annoyed me with how bad Spotify 320K replay is.

I'm genuinely intrigued and would love to know why your experience of Spotify has been so bad. Through my meagre set-up there is a clear difference between the CDs I've ripped and their Spotify equivalents, but I certainly haven't found it to be night-and-day in the way you describe.

Perhaps i'm deaf, or perhaps it's somehow linked to the fact that I access Spotify from its desktop app on a Mac Mini feeding a HRT II+ DAC, not an iThing app via Airplay. Who knows?  Very intriguing. Certainly here, it sounds easily as good as the radio stations you've mentioned. Usually much better in fact.

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I too do not recognise this poor Spotify playback.

 

I use the 320 Premium service via my Squeezebox Touch, controlled from my Nexus, and I find it more than acceptable. £10 pm well spent as mentioned above.

 

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I would add that on the desktop or ipad app you can browse the full offering. Really useful to try before you buy. Also you can sign up without a Facebook account, which I had to do.

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Right now I am exploring odd-ball American tracks like 'Martian Hop'

Please forgive me for being a bit late to the party but you might like the Scopitone video made for Henri Salvador's French cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ootxz2UpALk

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I'm genuinely intrigued and would love to know why your experience of Spotify has been so bad. Through my meagre set-up there is a clear difference between the CDs I've ripped and their Spotify equivalents, but I certainly haven't found it to be night-and-day in the way you describe.

Perhaps i'm deaf, or perhaps it's somehow linked to the fact that I access Spotify from its desktop app on a Mac Mini feeding a HRT II+ DAC, not an iThing app via Airplay. Who knows?  Very intriguing. Certainly here, it sounds easily as good as the radio stations you've mentioned. Usually much better in fact.

 

Interesting this, I only have the £5pm service, dont have iplayer, andriods and the like . . . I'm happy with what I get for my money.

I have picked up on MF's post as I also use an HRT DAC, direct feed (avoiding sound board) from my PC, through HRT DAC straight into 'line in' on my ST40, works very well IMHO.

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MajorFubar wrote:

 

I'm genuinely intrigued and would love to know why your experience of Spotify has been so bad. Through my meagre set-up there is a clear difference between the CDs I've ripped and their Spotify equivalents, but I certainly haven't found it to be night-and-day in the way you describe.

Perhaps i'm deaf, or perhaps it's somehow linked to the fact that I access Spotify from its desktop app on a Mac Mini feeding a HRT II+ DAC, not an iThing app via Airplay. Who knows?  Very intriguing. Certainly here, it sounds easily as good as the radio stations you've mentioned. Usually much better in fact.

Interesting this, I only have the £5pm service, dont have iplayer, andriods and the like . . . I'm happy with what I get for my money. I have picked up on MF's post as I also use an HRT DAC, direct feed (avoiding sound board) from my PC, through HRT DAC straight into 'line in' on my ST40, works very well IMHO. CJSF

It's not a matter of what DAC or amp etc. is employed.   I am, after all, getting excellent results (with the same kit and in the same way) with other streamed content and my own 320K  rips from CDs. The suprise was that Spotify 320K Premium didn't sound as good.

It's not a debate about your system, my system, his system, this DAC, that DAC, AirPlay vs direct  etc etc. because I was comparing like with like.

Anyway, I am happy for you (and the major)  that you are getting your money's worth. I just decided I wouldn't be. It seemed a good idea at the time.

 

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