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CnoEvil and The Record Spot - interesting you both say that, and it could be true. I'm just going on a review (which is just one person's interpretation of course, albeit a very experienced reviewer of loudspeakers):

HiFi Choice:

One key characteristic of the DC driver’s horn-loaded tweeter is that the treble is focused into a 90-degree cone, rather than the much wider dispersion shown by most speakers with conventional dome tweeters. This is neither ‘right’ nor ‘wrong’, but it is ‘different’; sharpening the image precision and focus, but diluting the illusion that musicians are in the listening room.

Also, please note, I wasn't talking about the overall soundstage - just the tweeter...I should have written: thus the tweeters will have a tighter, more directional sweetspot.

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miggyboys wrote:

CnoEvil and The Record Spot - interesting you both say that, and it could be true. I'm just going on a review (which is just one person's interpretation of course, albeit a very experienced reviewer of loudspeakers):

HiFi Choice:

One key characteristic of the DC driver’s horn-loaded tweeter is that the treble is focused into a 90-degree cone, rather than the much wider dispersion shown by most speakers with conventional dome tweeters. This is neither ‘right’ nor ‘wrong’, but it is ‘different’; sharpening the image precision and focus, but diluting the illusion that musicians are in the listening room.

Also, please note, I wasn't talking about the overall soundstage - just the tweeter...I should have written: thus the tweeters will have a tighter, more directional sweetspot.

We are probably biassed, as he owns Tannoy and I own Kef.  :shifty:

If you want to read Kef's take on it, read this: http://www.kef.com/html/gb/innovation/uni-q/index.html

Here is a reviewer discussing Tannoy's Dual Concentric: http://www.tnt-audio.com/casse/tannoy-concentric_e.html

The Tannoy's tweeter is Horn-Loaded, which seems to be responsible for the reviewer's observations, so I see your point.

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These minituare Tannoy's have 4 inch drivers and only go down to 67 Hz apparently, they cannot reproduce deep bass, they just won't move enough air. 

thats the thing, your talking about 'shifting air' thats volume, its not frequency range

 

From any other poster, this level of ignorance would be staggering. 

 

Ben Law if you're gonna quote me, then make the assumption I'm ignorant,  pls be man enuff to correct me, enlighten me with your wisdom - clarify my ignorants.........c'mon.

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Driver size is absolutely related to the frequency that it can produce. By your rationale a 1" driver could go as low as an 18" driver, just it would be quieter. That is what I was describing as ignorance. 

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Driver size is absolutely related to the frequency that it can produce. By your rationale a 1" driver could go as low as an 18" driver, just it would be quieter. That is what I was describing as ignorance. 

Then why stop at suggesting i'm more ignorant than anybody else, would it kill you to have added that or just said that?

Driver size is relavent to frequency - yes, but deep 'bass'  - have you heard one of those Pure portable radios well placed in a room playing at a normal level? with its 2inch driver or heard a decent pair of earphones with their 1inch drivers?

at low volume or even normal volume most of the deepest frequencys are not heard try running a sweep test on your speakers, in fact at higher volumes they are felt more than heard - deep bass is an interesting concept and is open to interpritation - most people see deep bass as loud bass, probably distorted being pumped out via 12inch+ woofers

in the context of this thread there is nothing ignorant in what I've said.

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If I may get back to the topic Id like to post the result I have achieved by micro adjusting the speakers and pointing them exactly - as per suggestions from Tannoy manual - towards the listener, i.e myself. I must say although I can hear the music much better than before there still is no feel of the music, it does not feel as if the system is a dedicated hifi for music, does not excite and fill the room.

 

Do you beleive it is a problem of system matching or must there be something basic that I may be doing?

 

Thanks.

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Look at speaker change.

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Lol..... just wondered if that troll had replied....sorry for dragging this thread off at a tangent

 

Anyhow, its your source - what bit rate are you storeing your music, I'm not familiar with DACs and the like as I still prefer hard media. But the Roksan amp can drive speakers, when I auditioned a bunch of mid priced amps it was the only one that you could feel the bass with. ( only its design, the lack of tone controls & no 2nd pair of speaker outs put me off it)

See if you can get your hands on a CD player and see how it sounds - you'll be getting the full resoloution of the music so could compare. Or it could be that the refined sound of 'hifi' is not your cup of tea - it takes a while to get use to.

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After trying many different types of music, Unfortunately I am still unsatisfied with my system. Since I have the full 5.0 speakers from Tannoy ( the sub is a jbl), I do not want to change the speakers; besides I read in a review that the Tannoy floorstanders convey the characteristics of the amp which is connected to it so I wonder if the Naim nait XS would solve my problems; i.e. lack of snap and sparkle ( do forgive my description but I hope you get the idea) when the instruments hit and the lack of richness in sound (analytical and unexciting).

 

I do not have the opportunity to audition the XS with my Tannoys so any opinion would be highly appreciated.

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RE: My first Hi-Fi system doesnt sound quite right

Just try use usb printer cable instead of starlight.I read somewhere that people were unsitisfied with exotic usb cables.I myself found that furutech formula 2 not always sounds right in my audio systems,so most of the time using printer usb cable

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I seriously doubt those people have heard a good usb cable vs. a printer cable! I had a printer cable initially then I auditioned the violet and starlight and the difference was so obvious; both wireworld usb cables had punchier bass, more realistic vocals (the starlight was even more real and top end was extended), and the soundstage increased dramatically. I think those people who claim that a usb cable makes no difference are just masking their ignorance.

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Can't help feeling you're on a hiding to nothing, mate. There isn't an amp built that can change the speakers in the way you describe. If you aren't going to change, then it is a matter of adjusting - listening to the positives, not the negatives in the sound. I wouldn't be throwing more money at it.

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I seriously doubt those people have heard a good usb cable vs. a printer cable! I had a printer cable initially then I auditioned the violet and starlight and the difference was so obvious; both wireworld usb cables had punchier bass, more realistic vocals (the starlight was even more real and top end was extended), and the soundstage increased dramatically. I think those people who claim that a usb cable makes no difference are just masking their ignorance.

Of what, exactly?

Just out of interest, did you try the fancy USB cable with your printer? I mean, if ever there was an opportunity for an audio cable to really produce deeper blacks, this is surely it...

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I have been reading this tread I thought I'd put in .i have arcaydis dm1 ,s running off a rega Mira amp .the speakers are in a medim sized room .just over 6 foot from my main  listening position .the speaker are the same size as tannoys .and I feel I get very good natural bass.and yes in my room with a good recording deep bass.

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RE: Get some warmer speakers

miggyboys wrote:

CnoEvil and The Record Spot - interesting you both say that, and it could be true. I'm just going on a review (which is just one person's interpretation of course, albeit a very experienced reviewer of loudspeakers):

HiFi Choice:

One key characteristic of the DC driver’s horn-loaded tweeter is that the treble is focused into a 90-degree cone, rather than the much wider dispersion shown by most speakers with conventional dome tweeters. This is neither ‘right’ nor ‘wrong’, but it is ‘different’; sharpening the image precision and focus, but diluting the illusion that musicians are in the listening room.

Also, please note, I wasn't talking about the overall soundstage - just the tweeter...I should have written: thus the tweeters will have a tighter, more directional sweetspot.

Funnily enough, this is the same dilemma I have with my BX2s. On the surface they do everything right - clarity, bass, punch, but they just don't engage me. Likewise, they do sound better at higher volumes, but they also have restricted vertical imaging - sound doesn't really extend beyond their height. Which is why I will shortly revert back to my beloved B&W 685s  - still a compromise in my small room and low-power, but they still engaged me more and I suspect nothing at their price possesses such scale, they're a :star: and I forgive them their shortcomings, I want them back home :grin:

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