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So long as you're clear on that, it is.
Tut tut. Have to get in the last word, eh? I was letting it go even though you've insulted me several times needlessly and refuse to accept reality.

 

Please make a buffoon of yourself without me from here on in, you're doing a good enough job up to now. Deep bass  :doh:

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They're right, a 4" bass driver can't reproduce low bass, but it will the harmonics, and from that our brains deduce the actual note, or close to. It's covered in some material on psychoacoustics. 

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This bass argument is actually quite interesting

We need to define 'deep bass' - I have to say in my experience I have heard small drivers produce deep bass from smallish boxes, in fact my speakers have pretty small drivers ( the boxes measure 80x17x30 the bass cone being 6inches) and they produce bass you can feel rolling through the floor when ready.

Its everything to do with the power being fed to them and the quality of the bass being produced, loud distorted bass from large drivers give the the impression of 'deep bass' ( its that what the eyes see we assume thing). Although its usually just the volume and the air these drivers can shift,

Where as well controlled textured, tunefull bass from small speakers may not be percieved as deep bass, but close your eye's (remove the visuals and you may be suprised at the frequencies passing through your cloths and through your chest which when aided by a well dampened room will suprise most in a blind test.

I think this is a great 'Readers challenge' for the mag..

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the record spot wrote:
So long as you're clear on that, it is.
Tut tut. Have to get in the last word, eh? I was letting it go even though you've insulted me several times needlessly and refuse to accept reality.

 

Please make a buffoon of yourself without me from here on in, you're doing a good enough job up to now. Deep bass  :doh:

 

My word, so many assumptions, and none of them right.  Good effort!

Nothing to do with the last word, I thought you'd finally seen my POV but plainly not.  That's not my problem, so I shall leave you with it.  

I've insulted you?  Yes, I think you are a troll.  No apologies this time.  I think you're deliberately going about this but that's your choice.  I have no idea why anyone would over an adjective, but I'll assume you may have an OCD and I hope you can deal with it. 

If you knew me at all, you'd realise how pointless your comment about "refuse to accept reality" is.  You have 9 posts on here, though I imagine quite a few elsewhere.  I can disregard this allegation happily as it's a castle built on sand.

As for making a buffoon of myself, remove the beam from yer ain een afore ye cast doots aboot the wee speck oan mine eh?  There's good chap.  

 

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Let me remake a point I made earlier.

DC4 lowest note is 68Hz.

Take a simple instrument like a piano. The lowest ten keys make notes below 68Hz with lowest arounf 27Hz. This means DC4 cannot actually reproduce these notes. This fact for some is unexaptable and therefore opt for larger speaker that can.

The good thing about piano it makes lots of harmonics and you will hear something but that will be harmonics the main note you will not here. So if somebody plays the piano on those keys DC4 will not go completelly silent it will just reproduce harmonics.

I am afraid if you want to get to those notes you will need a subwoofer of somesort to complement the DC4's. If you do that it will be advisable to acutally filter anything below 100Hz when driving the DC4's and let the subwoofer handle anything below 100Hz.

Ultimatelly what we suggest is that you can get better sound out of DC4's if you try.

 

Hi dumbledore, yes, indeed you could, though for my own needs that's not a requirement.  For others who particularly enjoy solo piano music (or the like) then a sub would be very useful.  My comments aren't about the DC4 being able to produce floor shaking bass, they never were, but the DC4 does deliver a better bass than I expected on the back of the reviews I'd read and do deeper than I'd expected.  This is not a lean sounding speaker in my experience.

Of course, this is in the context of my room and the demo room when I bought them, and only compared against Epos M12s, Castle 1s, and two others that I can't remember now.  They stacked up well against larger speakers though and also in my room (where they fire across the width of the room) where they perform admirably.  

Those comments on this thread should have been read in that context (and as I'd made clear in others on this forum).  They weren't.

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They're right, a 4" bass driver can't reproduce low bass, but it will the harmonics, and from that our brains deduce the actual note, or close to...

Indeedy.  Just listening to Tales From Topographic Oceans and Chris Squire's bass is doing some rather impressive stuff!

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This bass argument is actually quite interesting We need to define 'deep bass' - I have to say in my experience I have heard small drivers produce deep bass from smallish boxes, in fact my speakers have pretty small drivers ( the boxes measure 80x17x30 the bass cone being 6inches) and they produce bass you can feel rolling through the floor when ready. Its everything to do with the power being fed to them and the quality of the bass being produced, loud distorted bass from large drivers give the the impression of 'deep bass' ( its that what the eyes see we assume thing). Although its usually just the volume and the air these drivers can shift, Where as well controlled textured, tunefull bass from small speakers may not be percieved as deep bass, but close your eye's (remove the visuals and you may be suprised at the frequencies passing through your cloths and through your chest which when aided by a well dampened room will suprise most in a blind test. I think this is a great 'Readers challenge' for the mag..

 

Good post and neat idea!  

I agree about the idea around benchmarking "deep bass".  Give me a clean and articulate bass that doesn't sound bloated or thump all the way through the CD.  Tom toms are another success story, very realistic.

 

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Brib7 wrote:

the record spot wrote:
So long as you're clear on that, it is.
Tut tut. Have to get in the last word, eh? I was letting it go even though you've insulted me several times needlessly and refuse to accept reality.

 

Please make a buffoon of yourself without me from here on in, you're doing a good enough job up to now. Deep bass  :doh:

 

My word, so many assumptions, and none of them right.  Good effort!

Nothing to do with the last word, I thought you'd finally seen my POV but plainly not.  That's not my problem, so I shall leave you with it.  

I've insulted you?  Yes, I think you are a troll.  No apologies this time.  I think you're deliberately going about this but that's your choice.  I have no idea why anyone would over an adjective, but I'll assume you may have an OCD and I hope you can deal with it. 

If you knew me at all, you'd realise how pointless your comment about "refuse to accept reality" is.  You have 9 posts on here, though I imagine quite a few elsewhere.  I can disregard this allegation happily as it's a castle built on sand.

As for making a buffoon of myself, remove the beam from yer ain een afore ye cast doots aboot the wee speck oan mine eh?  There's good chap.  

 

I'm confused now. Are you still saying that your speakers do reproduce deep bass? Or just that they reproduce deep enough bass for you?

Given your saying you don't like lean bass, I presume it's the former? So after everything that I and others have said, you are still insisting that your very very small speakers actually do reproduce deep bass?

You have no clue what deep bass is. That is the only thing to conclude. Well, that, and you lack manners!!

 

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Having read your kind advices I have checked some speaker positioning advices on the net and in Tannoy's manual as it seemed like there was nothing in particular wrong with my system. So after verifying that all cables were set up correctly I proceeded to see if the speakers were aligned correctly, at which point I noticed, due to the floor's crooked surface, that the speakers were not facing in the exact same direction, i.e one was facing down and to the right while the other was facing slightly upwards and to the left; moreover they were not the same distance from the wall behind, one was about 53cm and the other 58cm. After adjusting the spikes and the distance I now have a fuller more engaging listen. All said I still have to raise the volume to hear all the music better especially for bass but also for the rest of the sound spectrum. Nonetheless the system is a soft and open sounding one which is more on the treble side than bass, which I do prefer, though does deliver bass quite generously when asked.

 

I will listen to some more rock recordings soon and report here after a longer auditioning.

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Brib7 ...pls define 'deep bass' in your view.

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I'm confused now. Are you still saying that your speakers do reproduce deep bass? Or just that they reproduce deep enough bass for you?

 

Please tell me, with not only this thread, but the means to use a search function as is provided on this forum you haven't worked this out yet?  No, really, please tell me this isn't the case?  

 

Yet another hint:    :read:

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Brib7 ...pls define 'deep bass' in your view.

I don't think I could define it to be honest, but I'm pretty sure you won't get it from tiny speakers with 4 inch drivers. Do you agree?
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Thompsonuxb wrote:

Brib7 ...pls define 'deep bass' in your view.

I don't think I could define it to be honest, but I'm pretty sure you won't get it from tiny speakers with 4 inch drivers. Do you agree?

 

 

Hahahahaha, seriously mate, I hope you like omelette.  You've got enough egg on your face after today to feed a regiment.  

Tell you what, are you near Edinburgh?  Drop by if you are.  Open offer, I'll crack open the beers.  F*** me I need one now.    ROFL

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the record spot wrote:

Brib7 wrote:

I'm confused now. Are you still saying that your speakers do reproduce deep bass? Or just that they reproduce deep enough bass for you?

 

Please tell me, with not only this thread, but the means to use a search function as is provided on this forum you haven't worked this out yet?  No, really, please tell me this isn't the case?  

 

Yet another hint:    :read:

What on earth are you on about?  :roll:
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Brib7 wrote:

Thompsonuxb wrote:

Brib7 ...pls define 'deep bass' in your view.

I don't think I could define it to be honest, but I'm pretty sure you won't get it from tiny speakers with 4 inch drivers. Do you agree?

 

No, I've come across some small speakers probably 4 to 6 inches with huge magnets hanging off the back of them that can do very deep bass. To be fair you should check out the specs on those DC4s , 87db sensitivity 200watt into 8ohm with a qualty amp those speakers will produce frequencies.

But its a pointless argument unless you define your perception of deep bass, then we would have some point of reference - i genuinly think this is an interesting argument at its core,,,,seriously.

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